Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

I disagree with that last assertion. UKIP was essentially a one trick pony and attracted a wider audience and broader support than Reform because of it. Reform does not have that single purpose agenda, although it will have certain elements of UKIP old guard supporting it. For Reform to attract as much, if not a tad more, support "than 2015" is disturbing and indicative of a shift in UK ground level support. Keep your head in the sand by all means, but the share of the vote gained by Reform IS indicative of a change in the making - and not a positive change either. Parliament may have swung left yet perversely the electorate haven't.

2029, the likely date of the next election, Reform's share of the vote will be interesting. Will Tories who protest voted last week return to the Conservative fold? Might they decide they like the cut of the Red Tories jib? Will Farridge have got bored and moved on to his next well paid gig? Will he have persuaded more to join his flock?

[MadAmster]

There really are some dumb eejits on social media. Lost count of the number of people raging at the stealing of the election because RN were the biggest party in round 1 but not in round 2. It's the way the French system works. A candidate needs 50%+ to win a seat in round 1. Only 76 of the 577 seats were decided after round 1. Round 2 sees fewer candidates. Often just the top 2 go through to round 2. There's the odd 3 way fight and a couple of 4 way fights in round 2. Centrum and Left parties withdrew candidates in some districts and asked their supporters to vote for whichever of the left/centre candidates was still in the race.

Result? Le Pen's party got far less seats then they expected. Their vote was, IIRC, 10.6M in round 1, 10.1M in round 2. Not a surprise as Their opposition helped one another to keep Le Pen out. Coalition formed before the vote rather than after it. 13% of the seats had been sorted in round 1 so there was no 2nd round in those districts.

I have explained that on a couple of the posts. Nobody has, as yet, replied. Possibly because they now understand the system and din't when they went off on one.

Are supporters of the right less well educated? Looking at the number of would/could/should OFs in their posts and the transposing of their/there/they're, they probably are less well educated.

[swaledale]

2029, the likely date of the next election, Reform's share of the vote will be interesting. Will Tories who protest voted last week return to the Conservative fold? Might they decide they like the cut of the Red Tories jib? Will Farridge have got bored and moved on to his next well paid gig? Will he have persuaded more to join his flock?

Reform won't exist in 2029 it will implode under the strain of organising itself and the fact that Farage spends his time stateside.

[swaledale]

Actually, only 18,884 people voted for Kier, out of a voting population of approx 46,560,500... so 99.96% of the voting population did not vote for him.

Now now, don't confuse him with facts!

I do chuckle at thoe "proles" who that we now have a PM from a working class background, who wasn't privately educated (yes I know the school he attended went private whilst he was there), has actually had a previous career outside politics (yes I know how idiots "hate" lefty lawyers until they need one and find they can no longer afford one.) Has not made any grand promises, has adopted a non tribal, approach so far to governing, is even talking sense about prisons and appointed a guy who knows a thing or to to tackle it, isn't flashy or spouting meaningless 3 word slogans or trying to do anything but govern a ****ed up country and he complains he is "boring" and has no flashy policies!!

I mean there are several issues about Starmer and Labour which concern me, much of which (but not all) is about his leaning to far to gain the approval and votes of racists, bigots and hypocrites and big business but I am thankful we have a bunch of politicians in charge who don't come exclusively from some rich privileged background and who seem to understand that they need to have a positive impact on the lives of the ordinary voter and also explain that in reality many of the issues faced today cannot be resolved quickly and simply or by just spending more money. Its a start.

[ramAnag]

2029, the likely date of the next election, Reform's share of the vote will be interesting. Will Tories who protest voted last week return to the Conservative fold? Might they decide they like the cut of the Red Tories jib? Will Farridge have got bored and moved on to his next well paid gig? Will he have persuaded more to join his flock?

Really can’t be bothered to reply to TTR and any other sore losers. Democracy is flawed…shock, horror…but no more so now than in 2019 or even at the 2016 referendum and I don’t remember Tricky or his mate ‘Nige’ complaining then.

As for NF’s future. Let’s face it…any Party that lists Jenrick, Badenoch, Braverman and Cleverly amongst the front runners for leadership is in big trouble…as well as being suddenly irrelevant. I can see a scenario where Farage sits it out getting bored in Clacton watching the Tories going nowhere as further Party chaos unfolds before, in less than two years, he switches back to being a Conservative and goes in search of the leadership causing, as ever, further division. We’ll see.

[swaledale]

Really can’t be bothered to reply to TTR and any other sore losers. Democracy is flawed…shock, horror…but no more so now than in 2019 or even at the 2016 referendum and I don’t remember Tricky or his mate ‘Nige’ complaining then.

As for NF’s future. Let’s face it…any Party that lists Jenrick, Badenoch, Braverman and Cleverly amongst the front runners for leadership is in big trouble…as well as being suddenly irrelevant. I can see a scenario where Farage sits it out getting bored in Clacton watching the Tories going nowhere as further Party chaos unfolds before, in less than two years, he switches back to being a Conservative and goes in search of the leadership causing, as ever, further division. We’ll see.

Tempting as it is to think the Tories will crumble, history suggests that after the election of a couple of useless and/or bat**** crazy Leaders, there will be a reorganisation and eventually return in a more centrist role.

Farage is at best a very rich persons bagman and gob****e, he isn't capable of leading a paper bag anywhere.

How ironic that a right wing media and politicians, who have done so much to try and gerrymander an election result (Rees-Mogg admitting that voter ID was just that) that a) they ahve turned out to be a **** at that as they ahve been at everything they have touched and b) now think FPTP isn't "fair".

[Trickytreesreds]

Really can’t be bothered to reply to TTR and any other sore losers. Democracy is flawed…shock, horror…but no more so now than in 2019 or even at the 2016 referendum and I don’t remember Tricky or his mate ‘Nige’ complaining then.

As for NF’s future. Let’s face it…any Party that lists Jenrick, Badenoch, Braverman and Cleverly amongst the front runners for leadership is in big trouble…as well as being suddenly irrelevant. I can see a scenario where Farage sits it out getting bored in Clacton watching the Tories going nowhere as further Party chaos unfolds before, in less than two years, he switches back to being a Conservative and goes in search of the leadership causing, as ever, further division. We’ll see.

lol, you clown. How was that flawed?


Your mate has hit his first big hurdle. Sein Fein wants him to carry out his bluff promise and put British soldiers wide open to abuse. Right after hundreds of IRA murderers were let off the hook.
So then, will flip flop fold or buckle?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-star...thern-ireland/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-star...thern-ireland/

this isn't going to end well

[Trickytreesreds]

Tempting as it is to think the Tories will crumble, history suggests that after the election of a couple of useless and/or bat**** crazy Leaders, there will be a reorganisation and eventually return in a more centrist role.

Farage is at best a very rich persons bagman and gob****e, he isn't capable of leading a paper bag anywhere.

How ironic that a right wing media and politicians, who have done so much to try and gerrymander an election result (Rees-Mogg admitting that voter ID was just that) that a) they ahve turned out to be a **** at that as they ahve been at everything they have touched and b) now think FPTP isn't "fair".

Well done great sage. You predicted no seats and yet they pulled the 3rd highest electorate voting, for a party only 4 years old and Farage only on board for four weeks. Keep going, your predictions do amuse me.

[Andy_Faber]

Are supporters of the right less well educated? Looking at the number of would/could/should OFs in their posts and the transposing of their/there/they're, they probably are less well educated.

Are you suggesting a correlation there? That’s a bit Swaleist of you. Of the folk I know who are right leaning there’s a massive educational spread - my brickie left school the earliest day possible with no quals (and I think he’s illiterate) and my next door neighbour is a magistrate and has more law quals than I can recount. Being right-leaning is a valid POV held by a wide range of thoughtful people, despite the picture painted by the media

[Trickytreesreds]

Are you suggesting a correlation there? That’s a bit Swaleist of you. Of the folk I know who are right leaning there’s a massive educational spread - my brickie left school the earliest day possible with no quals (and I think he’s illiterate) and my next door neighbour is a magistrate and has more law quals than I can recount. Being right-leaning is a valid POV held by a wide range of thoughtful people, despite the picture painted by the media

Visa versa Andy

You can have the council estate yob who skiped school from 9 and the director of public prosecutions from the same egg.