England

[whu1980]

Someone please explain how these squads are picked? Cleverly and Cole are 2 I don't understand hardly played for there club.

For f**k sake rant over

[BlackDiamond]

Well Woy is an albatross. A useless charlatan masquerading as a sophisticate. Hoplessly second rate and perfect for the FA.

As for the boy Cleverley, he is useless,clueless,and NEVER has been worth an England squad place. However because he plays for Manchester United (he shouldn't) is always selected. And when he plays, he f.ucks up the team rythm.

Exspect a nervy,erratic,disjointed display against Denmark on wednesday.

[KetterinHammer]

How noble is not in that squad is beyond me

[BlackDiamond]

How noble is not in that squad is beyond me

Exactly. Swap him for the un-clever one. Did I mention I'm not keen on young Tom...

[dagenhamJohn]

calm down ladies, no squad has been fixed to go yet,

personally prefer if Noble gets injured playing for us instead of a meaningless freindly

we need young in form players out there, especially where we are,

100% humidity, no place for old players!

[Dailly___7]

If Cleverly is such a useless player as almost everyone says, why does he play for the biggest club in the country as well as for the national team?

He seems to be everybody's favourite scapegoat, but getting picked by England and Manchester United means you must have something about you.

But we know better than the likes of Fabio Capello, Roy Hodgson and Sir Alex Ferguson, don't we?

[BlackDiamond]

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But we know better than the likes of Fabio Capello, Roy Hodgson and Sir Alex Ferguson, don't we?

Last season Utd could carry a useless player like Cleverley because RVP and Rooney were banging in the goals.

England can't afford to be so generous.

[Dailly___7]

But you didn't answer the question. Why would arguably the greatest manager in British football history pick Cleverly if he was so useless?

Hodgson and Fergie between them have been managers for almost a combined 80 years! You'd think they would know if a player is useless or not.

Again, if you play for Manchester United and England, you're half decent. Certainly not "useless".

I think Cleverly is a decent young player. Fans moan about the next generation not getting a chance and the England managers sticking with the old guard and then whinge some more when the likes of Cleverly, Jones, Smalling and Welbeck get their opportunity!

[Whiskyman]

If Cleverly is such a useless player as almost everyone says, why does he play for the biggest club in the country as well as for the national team?

He seems to be everybody's favourite scapegoat, but getting picked by England and Manchester United means you must have something about you.

But we know better than the likes of Fabio Capello, Roy Hodgson and Sir Alex Ferguson, don't we?

Evidently we do. When I mentioned that imo Carlton Cole was not a lot different to Andy Carroll (before he joined us btw) and had won England caps the managers who had awarded him said caps were derided as know nothing numpties.

It seems that scudettos in Italy, championships in Spain and Champions league successes mean nothing if there is a point to be made.
Btw I can't see what Cleverly's all about, but I've never won the Champions league so I guess it doesn't matter.

[bonzosbest74]

Why would arguably the greatest manager in British football history pick Cleverly if he was so useless?

Because the Glazers were re-financing their debt and floating on the stock exchange so only had Ai26m to spend. Fergie used his paltry seasonal budget on Van Persie and he thought the Midfield would be ok for a season with Carrick, Scholes, Pogba & Jones.

Scholes couldn't carry on, Pogba demanded a move to Juve following a fall out with Sir Alex, Jones spent the season covering constant injurys to Rafael & Vidic and I think Carrick was out for a long period too.

Cleverly was due to continue his loan spell with Martinez at Wigan but Fergie cancelled it.


He was never one of Fergusons favourite players otherwise he wouldn't have sat on the bench so many times whilst an ageing Ryan Giggs and a defender (Jones or Smalling) started ahead of him in midfield.

He was going to be shipped out to a mediocre club like Wes Brown