JFK files

[oldcolner]

One of the biggest mysteries Who shot JFK

The file are available here if any one fancies being a detective, though some are now being held back for redaction!

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release

FBI had warned Dallas police about a threat to kill Lee Harvey Oswald, and claims that Soviet officials feared an “irresponsible” US general could launch a missile strike in the wake of the crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-missile-fears

[oldcolner]

This sounds most likely to me ... the CIA

http://jfkfacts.org/translation-kenn...-former-agent/

after the bay of Pigs invasion failed, when the president realizes that he had been deceived, he wanted all the CIA higher echelons, including its director, fired and, further, he cut their budget.

“An irreconcilable antagonism, bordering on hatred, developed between the president and the CIA. Kennedy didn’t have support from the military brass due to his liberal thinking that contended against the military’s philosophy. For example, the order to withdraw from Vietnam caused much indignation. Another point of contention was the agreement where JFK agreed with Nikita Khrushchev to suspend nuclear tests, two months before his death. The fight between him on one side and the CIA and the military on the other was out in the open.”

Veciana is convinced there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, as its internal antagonists thought he was handing over the country.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

This sounds most likely to me ... the CIA

http://jfkfacts.org/translation-kenn...-former-agent/

after the bay of Pigs invasion failed, when the president realizes that he had been deceived, he wanted all the CIA higher echelons, including its director, fired and, further, he cut their budget.

“An irreconcilable antagonism, bordering on hatred, developed between the president and the CIA. Kennedy didn’t have support from the military brass due to his liberal thinking that contended against the military’s philosophy. For example, the order to withdraw from Vietnam caused much indignation. Another point of contention was the agreement where JFK agreed with Nikita Khrushchev to suspend nuclear tests, two months before his death. The fight between him on one side and the CIA and the military on the other was out in the open.”

Veciana is convinced there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, as its internal antagonists thought he was handing over the country.

Pretty much what we already knew. Read this morning that a UK newspaper was told to tip off the US Embassy in London about the killing, thirty minutes before he was shot!

[sinkov]

"the order to withdraw from Vietnam caused much indignation"

I'm no expert on the Vietnam war, but I've read a bit about it, and I've never heard of JFK ordering a withdrawal. Quite the opposite in fact, he was a believer in and worried about the 'Domino effect' spreading communism, and was secretly augmenting the number of US military advisors in Vietnam.

Is this withdrawal order something new that's come out in these documents, or what, it certainly contradicts everything I've ever read about JFK and Vietnam.

[oldcolner]

I’m no expert, but if the CIA wanted to continue in Vietnam they would surely wish to make you think that and for Johnson to say in November that he was continuing Kennedy’s Policy consolidates that view. If Kennedy took the decision in early October 1963 and didn’t want it spread widely in public, then few would know. The CIA would not wish the US to be seen losing and may have even set up a coup in Vietnam to depose Diem.

There is an interesting review here partly based on access to taped conversations with Kennedy http://bostonreview.net/us/galbraith...rategy-vietnam
It starts
Kennedy’s decision on October 2, 1963, to begin the withdrawal of U.S. forces from South Vietnam? Contrary to Frankel, this is not something you will find in Halberstam. You will not find it in Leslie Gelb’s editorial summary in the Gravel edition of The Pentagon Papers, even though several documents that are important to establishing the case for a Kennedy decision to withdraw were published in that edition. Nor, with just three exceptions prior to last spring’s publication of Howard Jones’s Death of a Generation—a milestone in the search for difficult, ferociously hidden truth—will you find it elsewhere in 30 years of historical writing on Vietnam.

Did John F. Kennedy give the order to withdraw from Vietnam?
which concludes

Conclusion
John F. Kennedy had formally decided to withdraw from Vietnam, whether we were winning or not. Robert McNamara, who did not believe we were winning, supported this decision. The first stage of withdrawal had been ordered. The final date, two years later, had been specified. These decisions were taken, and even placed, in an oblique and carefully limited way, before the public.

Another scary dimension
The United States held an overwhelming nuclear advantage over Russia in late 1963. Accordingly, our nuclear plans were not actually about deterrence. Rather, then as evidently again now, they envisioned preventive war fought over a pretext. There were those who were dedicated to carrying out those plans at the appropriate moment. In July 1961, the nuclear planners had specified that the optimal moment for such an attack would come at the end of 1963.

[oldcolner]

McNamaras actual wording from the same article

We recommend that: [1] General Harkins review with Diem the military changes necessary to complete the military campaign in the Northern and Central areas by the end of 1964, and in the Delta by the end of 1965. [2] A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time. [3] In accordance with the program to train progressively Vietnamese to take over military functions, the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

[sinkov]

It's a strange one OC, JFK is on record in September 63, just two months before he was shot, saying 'I don't agree with those who say we should withdraw, that would be a great mistake'. Who knows what really happened, we don't.

[sinkov]

Pretty much what we already knew. Read this morning that a UK newspaper was told to tip off the US Embassy in London about the killing, thirty minutes before he was shot!

Another mystery, but the caller didn't tip anyone off, he suggested ringing the American Embassy for some big news. He never mentioned what that news was, or might be. It's a bizarre story, none of it makes any sense. If he really knew what was about to happen why didn't he say so ? And why the Cambridge News ffs, with a story that big ?

[Altobelli]

One of the biggest mysteries Who shot JFK

The file are available here if any one fancies being a detective, though some are now being held back for redaction! ]

If some are being held back then its not the real account of what occurred.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Seriously Alto! I know your gullibility meter is set at "zero" but did you really think there would be full and frank disclosure?

This is Agent Orange we are talking about?

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