Chelsea Keeper

[Geoff Parkstone]

Refusing to be substituted after two injury time outs? Whatever his injury condition, if the manger elects to substitute you, surely you have to respect that? A former manager of ours would have him on the transfer list in the morning (no, not Nigel Pearson) and I'd hope Chelsea do the same thing. If not, the manager has to quit as he has publically lost the dressing room!

[mistaram]

Refusing to be substituted after two injury time outs? Whatever his injury condition, if the manger elects to substitute you, surely you have to respect that? A former manager of ours would have him on the transfer list in the morning (no, not Nigel Pearson) and I'd hope Chelsea do the same thing. If not, the manager has to quit as he has publically lost the dressing room!

Would have thought the club would be within their rights to cancel his contract

[Geoff Parkstone]

But they did pay £70million for him!?

[MadAmster]

..... you paid £70M for me and I will give you your money's worth :wink:

[Andy_Faber]

..... you paid £70M for me and I will give you your money's worth :wink:

The Chelsea bench handled it badly. The substitution was signed off, they should have just sent the sub goalie on, and dared the guy not to walk off. Correct me if I'm wrong MA but once a player is on the pitch he's the ref's problem not the manager's, so the ref would have booked him (and eventually sent him off) for not leaving the field. Sari and co were weak.

[ramAnag]

The Chelsea bench handled it badly. The substitution was signed off, they should have just sent the sub goalie on, and dared the guy not to walk off. Correct me if I'm wrong MA but once a player is on the pitch he's the ref's problem not the manager's, so the ref would have booked him (and eventually sent him off) for not leaving the field. Sari and co were weak.

Storm in a tea cup. He may have been wrong but at least he wanted to stay on and fight for the team. Sari’s tantrum looked dreadful.

[mistaram]

Storm in a tea cup. He may have been wrong but at least he wanted to stay on and fight for the team. Sari’s tantrum looked dreadful.

RA so what your saying is if a player thinks he shouldn't be subbed he stays where he is That's rubbish a player can be having a blinder but if you manager wants him off he should walk Yes Saris reaction was not good but that's just frustration The ref should have intervened with a yellow then a red ungentlemanly conduct

[ramAnag]

RA so what your saying is if a player thinks he shouldn't be subbed he stays where he is That's rubbish a player can be having a blinder but if you manager wants him off he should walk Yes Saris reaction was not good but that's just frustration The ref should have intervened with a yellow then a red ungentlemanly conduct

No, what I’m saying is...they seemed to be very unusual circumstances where the manager thought the keeper was injured when actually he seems to have been suffering from cramp - God knows how that happens to a keeper - and was at pains to say he didn’t need to come off.
The manager then overreacted and threw a tantrum of epic proportions making himself look ridiculous.
Of course you’re right...and in the normal course of events I’d agree with you entirely but I think this was a genuine misunderstanding...I have reluctant respect for the player being so desperate to stay on and ultimately I don’t really care ‘cos it’s Chelsea, but let’s be realistic...they aren’t going to sack a player who they’ve spent so much money on and it should all be handled ‘in house’ anyway.

[MadAmster]

Once recognised by the ref, the substitution must go ahead. There have been a few refusals down the years. Fabianski for Swansea against Spurs, Zlatan did it once, Messi when Luis Enrique was Barca coach.

An (assistant) coach informs the 4th official of the substitution. At a certain point when play has stopped, the referee sees the board with the players' numbers on them, once he signals that the substitution can be made, the subbed player should leave the field. I didn't see yesterday's game so don't know how far the substitution had gone prior to the keeper's refusal.

If the player refuses to leave, the coach CAN decide to cancel the substitution. If the coach stands firm then it is up to the ref. If the player really won't leave the field and the coach is adamant he should, then the ref should issue a yellow for unsportsmanlike behaviour. Continued refusal would lead to a 2nd yellow, making it a red.

Now we enter a grey area for me. I haven't seen anything on this in the Laws, Refs guidleines or heard anything on a ref's course. At what point dies the player become no longer part of the game? If it's at the point of the substitution then a red card wouldn't see his replacement not being allowed on the pitch. If the ref had already signalled that the subbing could take place then, in the case of a keeper, an outfield player would also have to be subbed off to allow the 2nd keeper to enter the field of play.

Next opportunity I get, I shall ask the question of someone who knows more than I do on this..........

[Geoff Parkstone]

Let us know what DDD says....