Thirty seven wasted years.

[Leicesterbaggie]

As a PE teacher for 37 years I feel that I wasted my time trying to inculcate fair play into my students. By this I mean that I told them to accept victory and defeat in the same manner, with respect for the result and for the opposition. Compare that with what is happening after the Referendum Vote. The result hasn't been accepted and little or no respect given by those who lost. Is this the correct example to be setting the young of today? I don't think so. I don't care what the refendum was about, it was what it was and the result was what it was. End of!

[kettering_baggie]

If you have respect for the young, then stop Brexit, it is their futures that are being put in jeopardy. The future of the whole country is being damaged as every days passes. The government and Parliament have failed to deliver Brexit; you can argue until the cows come home as to the reasons for that but the fact remains that Brexit has been a failure and is continuing to cause huge damage to our economy. There is one path that would end the nonsense, you may not like it but it is the only way left that put a stop to it; revoke Article 50 and get back to the things that matter.

[Leicesterbaggie]

With respect Kettering, nobody knows what will happen in the future. My point is the disgraceful manner in which democracy has been sidelined by those who can't accept the result of a legitimate referendum. This is not how democracy works or how it SHOULD work.

[kettering_baggie]

The referendum itself was ill conceived. It was not for our benefit, it was done to try to heal a rift in the Conservative Party, which just shows how out of touch with reality Cameron was. To decide the nation’s future on the basis of such a flawed exercise is, quite frankly, ludicrous. I understand that many people wish to leave the EU, I happen to believe them to be wrong, but to bring it about in such an incompetent manner verges on the criminal. Our futures are at stake.

[stripes39]

If you have respect for the young, then stop Brexit, it is their futures that are being put in jeopardy. The future of the whole country is being damaged as every days passes. The government and Parliament have failed to deliver Brexit; you can argue until the cows come home as to the reasons for that but the fact remains that Brexit has been a failure and is continuing to cause huge damage to our economy. There is one path that would end the nonsense, you may not like it but it is the only way left that put a stop to it; revoke Article 50 and get back to the things that matter.

I think this is part of my problem with all of this. Some people that voted Remain seem to have adopted some form of intellectual superiority in knowing what is best for everyone in the future as they gaze in to their crystal balls. Then we have people who have posted on here claiming that many voted because they are simply racists. I can't even be bothered to respond to pointless posts claiming the latter.

One of my key reasons for wanting out is that I can't see any bright future for the Euro zone so why be part of something that's failing?

Its growth compared to the USA and Asia has been incredibly poor. The debt to GDP ratio with countries such as Greece, Italy and Portugal carry is scary. Germany has just posted its worst economic performance since 2012. Put simply, it's a political project run by bureaucrats who have used the Euro for purposes it simply wasn't designed for. They want one federal government, one single currency, but none of the responsibility of a national debt. This might all work fine when there are no stresses, the economy is doing well and there is general agreement, but it just will not work in times of severe stress.

America is lowering taxes and Europe is raising them which will mean the strengthening of the US dollar. America is also raising interest rates, whilst Europe is doing nothing and that has the same effect: a stronger dollar. America's economy is booming, Europe's is static and in trouble due to constant political uncertainty and its seeming inability to resolve anything. America is talking about allowing billions of dollars to be repatriated free of tax and Trump's record on manifesto pledges is pretty good so where will that leave economies such as Ireland potentially standing to lose billions of dollars to US banks?

This of course may well all be wrong but please don't assume you know what's best for everyone else as we are all entitled to our opinions. Personally, I feel our future is much better being completely independent of the Eurozone and being more aligned to the dollar if we are talking future prosperity but that is just my 2 cents worth.

[kettering_baggie]

Please note that the UK is not in the Eurozone. Fortunately, we still have our own currency as we opted not to join the Eurozone, which gives us the best of both worlds, our own currency and membership of the EU. It just emphasises to me that many just don’t understand the EU and how it works or how beneficial it has been for our economy.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Please note that the UK is not in the Eurozone. Fortunately, we still have our own currency as we opted not to join the Eurozone, which gives us the best of both worlds, our own currency and membership of the EU. It just emphasises to me that many just don’t understand the EU and how it works or how beneficial it has been for our economy.

Blimey! Someone who understands the EU and how it works.

These 'experts' who claim No Deal to be a disaster are the same 'experts' who said we must be in the Eurozone. I prefer Poundland.

But the point is when,not if, one of those economies goes pop then the whole of the EU will I believe collapse under the presuure. And when that happens the further away from it we are the better.

I would have dredgers out in the Channel now digging it wider and use the spoil to build up Hadrian's Wall

[stripes39]

Please note that the UK is not in the Eurozone.


It just emphasises to me that many just don’t understand the EU and how it works

It is a crying shame that so many do not understand barely anything as to why they voted Leave against those more enlightened folk like yourself who do comprehend why they voted Remain.

Firstly, thanks for pointing it out but I was aware we aren't in the Eurozone as to my knowledge we don't currently use the Euro here in the UK.

My point was that IF the Euro collapses, it's likely to signal the end of the Euro experiment. Given the global factors potentially threatening the Euro (although I don't have the benefit of foresight unlike yourself) it COULD cause the collapse of the Euro and for that reason I can't see a reason for remaining. The above points in my previous post were simply to reason that IMO global factors may well threaten the Euro's future and the threat is very real. Tying ourself closer to a failing economic zone can't be a good thing IMHO

[kettering_baggie]

Our discussions on here just demonstrate how divided the whole country is. The split is so profound that I fail to see what compromise would ever be acceptable to enough people for it to be adopted. Surely we cannot go on and on like this for evermore, hence my assertion that revocation of Article 50 is the only way to bring this to an end.

Fortunately, for those of us posting on this board, we do have something to keep us together and agree on. We all love West Bromwich Albion. If we ever find ourselves together in a pub I trust that we would find that all things Albion would transcend this wretched Brexit nonsense. At some point in the future, it will be over......

[stripes39]

Our discussions on here just demonstrate how divided the whole country is. The split is so profound that I fail to see what compromise would ever be acceptable to enough people for it to be adopted. Surely we cannot go on and on like this for evermore, hence my assertion that revocation of Article 50 is the only way to bring this to an end.

Fortunately, for those of us posting on this board, we do have something to keep us together and agree on. We all love West Bromwich Albion. If we ever find ourselves together in a pub I trust that we would find that all things Albion would transcend this wretched Brexit nonsense. At some point in the future, it will be over......

I do agree with most of those points Kettering. Revoking Article 50 is a massive slap in the face to the 17.4 Million so for me its not an option but then again neither are these watered down options parliament is debating as we might as well stay where we are.

I think this has really demonstrated how inept so many of our political class are across so many parties that we are where we are now. Surely this is telling us that the majority of the public require something much better and different to what these tired out old parties can offer? I think its also told us how out of touch the establishment is with the people its meant to represent. But, yes, the division is sad and has been all engineered by many of our MP's who across the board deserve to suffer at the next election.

I do agree though that at some point future generations will wonder what all this nonsense was about as its all 'rules'. We want to buy and sell with Europe and they with us. Seems simple really