After all this destruction of our society we are back to square 1

[bordering]

In the UK, scientists are now voicing a similar pessimism about herd immunity brought about by vaccines.

According to The Telegraph, "The delta variant has wrecked any chance of herd immunity, a panel of experts including the head of the Oxford vaccine team said as they called for an end to mass testing so Britain can start to live with Covid.

"Scientists," the paper continued, "said it was time to accept that there was no way of stopping the virus spreading through the entire population, and monitoring people with mild symptoms was no longer helpful.

"Prof. Andrew Pollard, who led the Oxford vaccine team, said it was clear that the delta variant can infect people who have been vaccinated, which made herd immunity impossible to reach even with high vaccine uptake."

"We don't have anything that will stop transmission," said Pollard, "so I think we are in a situation where herd immunity is not a possibility and I suspect the virus will throw up a new variant that is even better at infecting vaccinated individuals."

Moreover, says the Telegraph, "Public Health England has shown that when vaccinated people catch the virus they have a similar viral load to unvaccinated individuals and may be as infectious."

Paul Hunter, professor of medicine at the University of East Anglia and an expert in infectious diseases, added further that the obsession with "cases" needed to be abandoned: "We need to start moving away from just reporting infections, or just reporting positive cases admitted to hospital, to actually start reporting the number of people who are ill because of Covid. Otherwise we are going to be frightening ourselves with very high numbers that actually don't translate into disease burden."

What this means for government policy remains to be seen. But since the worst of the totalitarianism has occurred under regimes seeking "zero COVID," and these scientists appear to believe such a thing is ridiculous, maybe it's good news.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Thank you for informing me of 'the destruction of our society' it was not something I was aware of.

Just for info I was told yesterday by someone who works for Astra Zeneca we will start with booster jabs in mid Sept and they will all be Pfizer

[DaveP67 is back!]

Viruses mutate, a tweaked booster will likely be needed for the more vulnerable each year in line with the flu jab.

[WBA123]

I'm very interested to know 'Bordering', what your solution is if you were head of a country.

Would you not allow people to be vaccinated? Would you allow life to continue as before? Would you accept more deaths, if it meant we had our previous Pre-Covid lives back?

I'm really struggling to understand your perspective. The information you have just shared doesn't substantiate any of your views from what I can see. It pretty much just says there will be further variants and we will have to learn to live with it. Which is something I guess we all knew sometime ago.