Yorkshire CCC Racist Row

[phild]

Michael Vaughan now the latest player to be caught up in the so called 'banter' He now loses his BBC commentator gig. The fall out from stuff like this always goes far and deep. No matter what was called banter a few years ago is now dredged up and reclassified as career ending.

Im sure many of us have said stuff like this years ago, but just as well we aint famous otherwise someone would come forward and dump you into obscurity for evermore.

May seem an odd analogy but if you are a Star Trek fan take a look at Next Gens episode 'The Drum Head" Where even the great and good, once revered, are somehow dragged into an all consuming and overwhelming attack on their careers which all began from something that many would just dismiss as trivial.

[boingy]

It’s mad. It’s funny but a mate of mine would often be greeted with “How you doing you bald headed *******?” and it was a term of endearment. Anyone who could say that to him and know it was in jest and didn’t mean anything showed how close they were as mates. I do get that ” Paki” was often said in a derogatory sense so might be offensive but it’s no different to saying “Brit” as a shortened version of British. In any walk of life it’s the “motive” that matters. How it’s said. As a joke with my friend with no hair is very different if the same is said by a total stranger. As with most things there is always more to it than just the media “reaction”

[mickd1961]

Are Americans a r s e d about being called “Yanks” I wonder?

If I was trading in Spain and a local was to be heard saying.....”get us some fags from the Brit shop” would I be offended?

Of course not.

“Bring home a Chinky tonight love”.......I presume this is now not allowed?

Are the French still “Frogs”?

I cannot see what’s wrong with “Paki” as long as the person is indeed a Pakistani.......it is however ignorant to refer to an Indian owned ship by the same term, that’s just lazy and stupid and would offend the Indian more than s h a g g I n g his wife in front of him over the Walls Iced Cream cabinet!

I’m now losing track of which abbreviation of nation is allowed and which isn’t?

I’m also losing the will to live in regards to people being found historically guilty for stuff which wasn’t as big a crime at the time it happened as what it is now.

A statute of limitations should be imposed whereby alleged comments and even written comments from more than X number of years ago cannot be reported or acted upon.

[BaggieSingh]

I’ve been called Paki many many times in my life and I very much doubt it was with the same intent that someone would say Scot, Brit, Yank etc and if someone was going to call me that as a joke without negative connotations they would have to be on friendly terms with me, same thing with the aforementioned bald mate

Also Mick whether you are Indian or Pakistani it’s not the accuracy of the term that offends it’s the intent. Indians aren’t offended by the fact someone is mistaking them for a Pakistani, but by what the intent of being called Paki and the other words that come with it or are inferred

As for statute of limitations I do agree with you guys, if this fella was so upset he should have addressed it ages ago with the fella concerned or someone else. But I can understand why it’s difficult, but in that case get over it no point raising hell years later

As for Vaughn I’ve always liked him, but don’t know him obviously, but there are reports of him having said some unsavoury things and also aiming it at the fact that people were of a certain heritage and prioritising others
Now I don’t know if that happened, and to be honest it’s very easy to confuse patriotism with prejudice especially if you and others are confused with where you stand (E.g. am I Indian or British?)

Strange times, but what makes me laugh is how potential unfair treatment is easily spotted when the victim is similar to yourself

PS - Mick you can say what you want in your own house mate, just best not to say things that may cause offence when in public, can’t see why that’s an issue
You wouldn’t drive down the middle of a road and say well I feel like doing this so why can’t I?
Exactly as it may cause harm to someone right and there will be consequences for you.

[soulman101]

I ay a brummie om from the Blackcountry .Had to say this many times when working down south.

[regis80]

I was starting to wonder when this topic was going to be discussed.
I get why you don’t think the word paki is racist as you believe it is just abbreviated for someone who is of pakistani origin. Unfortunately despite it being abbreviated, for decades it has been used to be racist and derogatory term to anyone of south asian origin. Even the term chinky is racist. That’s a fact. This isn’t something new, 20-30 years ago it was racist and it is today. I see why you guys might think otherwise. I’m sure we had this debate before and I must say the recent news doesn’t surprise me one bit. The term is racist used by and originated by racists.

The term brit isn’t racist nor is yank. I don’t understand the comparison being made here. I’m sure we’ve all experience dirty public toilets , dirty bogs that has loads of graffiti saying ‘go home paki’ or ‘go home brit’ which do you think is racist?

There are problems within Yorkshire in general and it being hotspot for racial tension. It always has been. It’s no surprise with a lot of trouble makers in high populated Pakistani communities. But you do get them in all societies. I’ve found amongst many people from Yorkshire to be very ignorant, 9/10. I just get why, but it seems so true.

I wouldn’t have though Vaughan was racist but do believe there is a lot institutional racism there and it’s time it has finally been brought up.

[soulman101]

I find it hard to work people out people who are racist.
As a white man , people have been racist or looked down there nose at me at work.
I did a job it in Wales, it was a 12hr job so I did it in a day.
From the moment there was a bad atmosphere because I was English. Every time i went in the one office they changed to speaking Welsh . Nobody offered me a drink ,, just before I left the office rang asking to speak to me Lloyd the engineer,
The Pr@t who treated bad asked if I was Welsh because of my ist name.I told a white lie and said I was part Welsh and could understand Welsh.
If you could see his face, then he had the cheek to offer me a cup of tea. I said i've gone 10 hrs without a drink I'll stop for one when I get back in England.

[kettering_baggie]

Words can, and are, used by many people to insult and deliberately offend other people, whatever their backgrounds; it always has been the case and always will be. Being unpleasant to someone is, well, unpleasant, but if we want freedom of speech, we have to accept that some people will be offended either accidentally or on purpose. I am not condoning racism, far from it, the problem really lies in where do you draw the line? What is offensive to some is not to others, while some may go out of their way to be ‘deliberately offended’, just as a means to stir up trouble or get their own back on someone. I honestly don’t know what the answer is. Treat others as you would have them treat you, to my mind, is an ideal we should all attempt to aim for, however, none of us are perfect.

[soulman101]

Words can, and are, used by many people to insult and deliberately offend other people, whatever their backgrounds; it always has been the case and always will be. Being unpleasant to someone is, well, unpleasant, but if we want freedom of speech, we have to accept that some people will be offended either accidentally or on purpose. I am not condoning racism, far from it, the problem really lies in where do you draw the line? What is offensive to some is not to others, while some may go out of their way to be ‘deliberately offended’, just as a means to stir up trouble or get their own back on someone. I honestly don’t know what the answer is. Treat others as you would have them treat you, to my mind, is an ideal we should all attempt to aim for, however, none of us are perfect.

Hi, that's how I was brought up good manners and treat people properly.

[boingy]

I’ve been called Paki many many times in my life and I very much doubt it was with the same intent that someone would say Scot, Brit, Yank etc and if someone was going to call me that as a joke without negative connotations they would have to be on friendly terms with me, same thing with the aforementioned bald mate

Also Mick whether you are Indian or Pakistani it’s not the accuracy of the term that offends it’s the intent. Indians aren’t offended by the fact someone is mistaking them for a Pakistani, but by what the intent of being called Paki and the other words that come with it or are inferred

As for statute of limitations I do agree with you guys, if this fella was so upset he should have addressed it ages ago with the fella concerned or someone else. But I can understand why it’s difficult, but in that case get over it no point raising hell years later

As for Vaughn I’ve always liked him, but don’t know him obviously, but there are reports of him having said some unsavoury things and also aiming it at the fact that people were of a certain heritage and prioritising others
Now I don’t know if that happened, and to be honest it’s very easy to confuse patriotism with prejudice especially if you and others are confused with where you stand (E.g. am I Indian or British?)

Strange times, but what makes me laugh is how potential unfair treatment is easily spotted when the victim is similar to yourself

PS - Mick you can say what you want in your own house mate, just best not to say things that may cause offence when in public, can’t see why that’s an issue
You wouldn’t drive down the middle of a road and say well I feel like doing this so why can’t I?
Exactly as it may cause harm to someone right and there will be consequences for you.

I remember that Paki was almost always said in a nasty way when I was a kid and often before a fight, so I can understand the feeling even though it is an abbreviation of Pakistani. It is motives that matter. Ron Atkinson lost his job and was accused of racism when there probably wasn’t a manager who loved his black players more. This to me was wrong. Trouble is in today’s society there is no defence. Only accusations and repercussions.