I've an idea for welcome debate

[animallittle3]

It's not a new idea by any means but it's one I'd like to throw out there none the less .

It's based on the assumption that many of us today are seriously disillusioned with not only Barnsley but football in general today .

It's based on the assumption that the club and the game in general is long gone and even a change of ownership isn't any guarantee of anything .

So if the mountain won't move to Mohammed then let Mohammed move to the mountain so to speak .

The absentees who no longer wish to hand over sums of money to the club have in affect created a gap in the Barnsley Football market .

Not everyone by any means but I'm fairly certain more than enough to start , sustain and make a good go by forming a new club that can be shaped and formed to the greater satisfaction of those who wish to be involved .

Even a thousand fans in attendance at the bottom of the English football pyramid is a significant number of people that could finance a climb up the pyramid to a seriously decent level .

National League North wouldn't be out of the question .

A fans club , a community club anything you wish it to be is achievable with enough interest and a totally blank piece of paper .

I'd welcome all views , pitfalls , ideas anything you want .

I'd be someone who is willing to look in to this prospect , get involved from the outset and would welcome others to join me at looking at the possibilities and see if this idea has legs .

[Young_Nudger]

Eeerrr …… NO !!!
Patrick Cryne did that and I hated the idea.
There’s only one Barnsley FC - and we need to stick to it.

As Chien Lee was quoted as saying in a post earlier this week (ESR?) - a club can’t be successful without the support of its fans.
Paul Conway will get peeed off eventually.
These cheapskates need to change some of their policies - or ship out.
It’s as simple as that.

[animallittle3]

Eeerrr …… NO !!!
Patrick Cryne did that and I hated the idea.
There’s only one Barnsley FC - and we need to stick to it.

As Chien Lee was quoted as saying in a post earlier this week (ESR?) - a club can’t be successful without the support of its fans.
Paul Conway will get peeed off eventually.
These cheapskates need to change some of their policies - or ship out.
It’s as simple as that.

For what it's worth I welcome your personal stance .

Read in to that what you will .

[animallittle3]

With the information I have at hand although I may not be absolutely spot on the club would begin life in the Sheffield and Hallamshire County Senior League division two .

Local rivals would be Bank End AFC , Houghton Main Development and Silkstone United .

This as far as I can tell is the very bottom of the pyramid system .

Where I see the gap in the market is that this club would be truly representative of the whole borough of Barnsley rather than localised as in Pen istone Church , Worsborugh Bridge and Athersley Rec for example .

Barnsley Borough FC sounds good .

[b1gduk]

FCBOB, not quite the same ring to it as FCUM. I’m joking Animal …

Appreciate the sentiment , there are plenty of local non league side that would love increased attendances from disenfranchised BFC supporters. What we all really want is Barnsley FC to represent our values and be run honestly and transparently and with integrity. Give us a club to be proud of. We don’t expect miracles, if the owner would step forward communicate with its fan base admit it’s failings and tell us how they plan to make amends on and off the pitch it would go some way. I admit when Chien got involved I thought it was a positive development, a little financial backing and as they put it a progressive improvement in the team. Last summer was a disaster and outside or their control but what has happened since with pie in the Sky managerial appointments has left us with a mountain to climb. Anyway I’m sorry I have digressed. As I say I think it’s maybe a little too early , I hope that if the current owners can see that as things stand they don’t enjoy the support of many fans and they will vote with their feet, then move on. The honest trouble is who would take us on with the current financial struggle vs fan expectations.

[animallittle3]

FCBOB, not quite the same ring to it as FCUM. I’m joking Animal …

Appreciate the sentiment , there are plenty of local non league side that would love increased attendances from disenfranchised BFC supporters. What we all really want is Barnsley FC to represent our values and be run honestly and transparently and with integrity. Give us a club to be proud of. We don’t expect miracles, if the owner would step forward communicate with its fan base admit it’s failings and tell us how they plan to make amends on and off the pitch it would go some way. I admit when Chien got involved I thought it was a positive development, a little financial backing and as they put it a progressive improvement in the team. Last summer was a disaster and outside or their control but what has happened since with pie in the Sky managerial appointments has left us with a mountain to climb. Anyway I’m sorry I have digressed. As I say I think it’s maybe a little too early , I hope that if the current owners can see that as things stand they don’t enjoy the support of many fans and they will vote with their feet, then move on. The honest trouble is who would take us on with the current financial struggle vs fan expectations.

I appreciate there are a number of local clubs in the area to hang your hat on .

The majority of whom have existed for decades , that's actually where I see the gap in the Barnsley Football market .

Most of these clubs have their own committees , funding vehicles and probably an acceptance of how much progress they can make as elite village clubs without wanting to sound disrespectful .

I'm proposing something vastly different , the whole borough and beyond as it's fan base .

Run by the fans for the fans with reasonable backing making its way up the pyramid system to a very good level , something with respect to them is unlikely at Athersley and Worsborough .

A direct alternative to corporate owned football clubs .

[SBRed48]

I love your idea Animal, but there is a but coming.

I have seen the scenario develop round the corner with Halifax Town, now risen as FC Halifax.

Fans will not wish to move outside Oakwell, Key to the success of Halifax and Portsmouth rising again was attending the same ground.
The Shay was owned by Calderdale Council and they were on board allowing FC Halifax to play at the Shay. Key figures on Calderdale Council were Halifax fans and were with their rise six tiers from the NE Counties Premier Division. Funds from local business funded players who were superior to the league they were playing in so promotion happened most seasons. Fans enjoyed the rise up the leagues and would have been disenchanted with staying in the same league for two or three years.

What I am saying is

stay at Oakwell

get the BFC supporting Council members and the Crynes to only rent the ground to the new team, forcing Conway out to Bradford or wherever. Fans will not go there.

Have support from the Crynes and/or local sponsors to fund quality players for the level they are playing

(signing off until tomorrow)

[animallittle3]

I love your idea Animal, but there is a but coming.

I have seen the scenario develop round the corner with Halifax Town, now risen as FC Halifax.

Fans will not wish to move outside Oakwell, Key to the success of Halifax and Portsmouth rising again was attending the same ground.
The Shay was owned by Calderdale Council and they were on board allowing FC Halifax to play at the Shay. Key figures on Calderdale Council were Halifax fans and were with their rise six tiers from the NE Counties Premier Division. Funds from local business funded players who were superior to the league they were playing in so promotion happened most seasons. Fans enjoyed the rise up the leagues and would have been disenchanted with staying in the same league for two or three years.

What I am saying is

stay at Oakwell

get the BFC supporting Council members and the Crynes to only rent the ground to the new team, forcing Conway out to Bradford or wherever. Fans will not go there.

Have support from the Crynes and/or local sponsors to fund quality players for the level they are playing

It's a very good point SB , you could argue that the resurrection of Wimbledon was greatly enhanced by the fact the old club moved to Milton Keynes and so the operating space was available to them to start at the bottom of the pyramid .

What a tremendous idea to force Barnsley FC out of Oakwell and leave the space for a start up club .

Sir you are a genius because there is all kinds of possibilities on offer if the Cryne's and BMBC refuse to rent the ground to PMG and force them out .

That was what Booth did to Rotherham although that was an entirely different scenario but none the less the landlord kicked em out .

How long have you been sitting on that because that is pure gold SB it really is .

[SBRed48]

It's a very good point SB , you could argue that the resurrection of Wimbledon was greatly enhanced by the fact the old club moved to Milton Keynes and so the operating space was available to them to start at the bottom of the pyramid .

What a tremendous idea to force Barnsley FC out of Oakwell and leave the space for a start up club .

Sir you are a genius because there is all kinds of possibilities on offer if the Cryne's and BMBC refuse to rent the ground to PMG and force them out .

That was what Booth did to Rotherham although that was an entirely different scenario but none the less the landlord kicked em out .

How long have you been sitting on that because that is pure gold SB it really is .

There are issues, of course, that complicate the matter--

- is there any kind of agreement in place as to how long the present rental agreement is in place ?

-the Crynes and Conway are already involved in a Court case as the Crynes try to get the money owed by Conway for purchase of the club.

I am thankful everyday for the Covenant and that Oakwell is jointly owned by Barnsley Council and the Crynes. I dread to think what would happen if Conway had sole control over the future of the ground.

What I don't get is Conway bleating that that he can't get "clean title" over Oakwell, meaning that he cannot legally do what he wants with the football ground. All the Covenant states is that the ground must be used for sporting purposes (football when it was drawn up). Why is the requirement to play football on that site such a problem for Conway ?

A question to be raised when the Supporters Trust grill Conway soon. Looking forrad to the Q&A. When is it ?

[renno]

It's not a new idea by any means but it's one I'd like to throw out there none the less .

It's based on the assumption that many of us today are seriously disillusioned with not only Barnsley but football in general today .

It's based on the assumption that the club and the game in general is long gone and even a change of ownership isn't any guarantee of anything .

So if the mountain won't move to Mohammed then let Mohammed move to the mountain so to speak .

The absentees who no longer wish to hand over sums of money to the club have in affect created a gap in the Barnsley Football market .

Not everyone by any means but I'm fairly certain more than enough to start , sustain and make a good go by forming a new club that can be shaped and formed to the greater satisfaction of those who wish to be involved .

Even a thousand fans in attendance at the bottom of the English football pyramid is a significant number of people that could finance a climb up the pyramid to a seriously decent level .

National League North wouldn't be out of the question .

A fans club , a community club anything you wish it to be is achievable with enough interest and a totally blank piece of paper .

I'd welcome all views , pitfalls , ideas anything you want .

I'd be someone who is willing to look in to this prospect , get involved from the outset and would welcome others to join me at looking at the possibilities and see if this idea has legs .

Another scenario is to take over a existing non league team , where the ground, infrastructure etc is there already and can be enhanced. Frickley athletic as an example - get a local bus company to do pickups and bus fans in