Death Row Deaths.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The Barbarians are in full flow again.

https://www.newsweek.com/four-death-...-hours-1760028

[sinkov]

Death Row Deaths ?

There's a reason it's called 'Death Row ' isn't there ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Death Row Deaths ?

There's a reason it's called 'Death Row ' isn't there ?

Death Row inmates sometimes manage to die of natural causes too mon ami, before the Barbarians kill them.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

And the hits keep coming...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/crime...bc67d3db9a75f2

[sinkov]

It's a topic as old as the hills, should we have a death penalty or should we not. It's a worthy subject for debate, but some people....

"before the Barbarians kill them"

....can't help but reduce it to the level of a nursery school playground. Will you ever grow up ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

"A barbarian (or savage) is someone who is perceived to be either uncivilized or primitive."

I just can't think of any other noun or adjective to describe such barbarity or cruelty sinkov. To incarcerate a person for nigh on 20 years in isolation and then kill them does not inspire the need for debate within me mon ami.

The barbarians are now considering death of a prisoner by firing squad. I'm game for a serious debate, but what's the point?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE

[sinkov]

but what's the point?

No point whatsoever, so I won't waste my time.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

No point whatsoever, so I won't waste my time.

My favourite justification for this barbarity is that capital punishment acts as a deterrent.

"As of April 1, 2022, there were 2,414 death row inmates in the United States. The number of death row inmates changes frequently with new convictions, appellate decisions overturning conviction or sentence alone, commutations, or deaths (through execution or otherwise)."

Not really a deterrent, is it?

[Swissclaret]

Sydney Silverman, MP for Nelson, was one of the great supporters of abolishing capital punishment. This had been debated for a long time.

One of the drivers was the conviction of Craig and Bentley in, I think, 1952 for the shooting of a Police Officer. This was unheard of then.

One fired the gun. The other shouted «*Let him have it*». The debate for many years was whether or not he was encouraging the other to shoot (and therefore guilty) or encouraging the other to let the Police Officer have the gun. The jury found him guilty and he hanged.

Ignoring the concept of «*unreasonable*» the view became that it is better that a guilty person go free than than an innocent one is put to death.

[outwoodclaret]

Sydney Silverman, MP for Nelson, was one of the great supporters of abolishing capital punishment. This had been debated for a long time.

One of the drivers was the conviction of Craig and Bentley in, I think, 1952 for the shooting of a Police Officer. This was unheard of then.

One fired the gun. The other shouted «*Let him have it*». The debate for many years was whether or not he was encouraging the other to shoot (and therefore guilty) or encouraging the other to let the Police Officer have the gun. The jury found him guilty and he hanged.

Ignoring the concept of «*unreasonable*» the view became that it is better that a guilty person go free than than an innocent one is put to death.

These issues have of course been previously debated on these pages Swiss. Doubtless our legal studies have had a great bearing on our views on capital punishment.

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[B]




Hanging was an issue that divided the country. It was finally abolished in 1969 after many years of argy bargy from both sides.
There is a move by some Tory MP's to bring hanging back. If there were to be a referendum on it, and it was passed, then I for one (and I suspect Labour and the Lib Dems) would campaign strongly for it's abolition once again.
But we would not be "going to arbitrarily cancel 17.4 million votes and overturn it." That is complete nonsense and you know it.
But we would strongly campaign for it's abolition - which has been normal practice in a democracy since the year dot.
The cause for abolition was given much additional weight by three particular cases. The hanging of Timothy Evans for the crimes committed by John Reginald Christie; the hanging of Ruth Ellis who murdered her sometimes violent lover when public opinion was strongly against the death penalty in the circumstances of her case;and finally the hanging of Derek Bentley for the murder of a police officer by his accomplice Chris Craig who at 16 was himself too young to be sentenced to death.

Public opinion has no doubt shifted in recent years because of the vile and repulsive deeds by Al-Qaeda and ISIS amongst others. I am yet to be convinced about the merits or otherwise of the re-introduction of capital punishment.