Premier League Panel (Arsenal game review)

[Tutfoster1892]

The below is taken from a tweet from an ESPN reporter...



The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled the referee and the VAR were correct to award Newcastle United's winning goal against Arsenal.

But Havertz and Guimarães should have seen red.


https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/...ision?_nocache

[ex_pat_magpie]

If Havertz had been given his just, correct red at the time of his offence then perhaps Bruno wouldn't have been so wound up at the injustice and would then be playing his normal game, thus not requiring a red on his part.

[GBruno]

I honestly don’t think either were reds. Havertz’s challenge was rash but hardly dangerous and Bruno’s forearm was petulant but had little force behind it.

I don’t want to see players sent off for those things.

Thought Rashford was harshly treated by a red card in the game last night too.

I think red cards are given out too easily these days, and definitely yellow cards are given out as if they are nothing.

I also hate the double punishment of a red card in that you miss the current game and future games. Possibly triple punishment if a penalty is awarded. It all needs reviewing imo.

I feel like we need a sin bin or an orange card. Something in between.

It’s mad that Newcastle players got the same punishment for dissent as Havertz got for the challenge.

[Cannylad]

I'd go for the sin bin.

[Ragatino]

If Havertz had been given his just, correct red at the time of his offence then perhaps Bruno wouldn't have been so wound up at the injustice and would then be playing his normal game, thus not requiring a red on his part.

That's a big if but a very valid one. You could see Brunos rage at the poor decision. Had the correct one been made. His hot head would jave been cooled.

We can't say for sure that his battle with Jorginho would have been quashed but it certainly would jave been tempered.

In light of things I agree with all 3 of the positions taken by the panel. It was a goal, Havertz and Bruno ahould have got straight reds

[Zippity]

Agree with every bit.

The goal not being given would have involved guesswork at best at each stage and would have constituted re-refereeing the game.

Bruno-what do you mean it was hardly dangerous'?????? He leapt into the challenge without any thought for Longstaff's safety. It was pure luck that he didn't connect with his leading foot and break his leg. If you're saying it wasn't dangerous because he didn't connect with his leading leg, does that mean you can drive a car at someone but get away with it because you missed??

Bruno aimed a forearm at the Arsenal player-and connected. Not sure which part of that isn't a red. Absolutely baffling that he wasn't carded for that.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Agree with every bit.

The goal not being given would have involved guesswork at best at each stage and would have constituted re-refereeing the game.

Bruno-what do you mean it was hardly dangerous'?????? He leapt into the challenge without any thought for Longstaff's safety. It was pure luck that he didn't connect with his leading foot and break his leg. If you're saying it wasn't dangerous because he didn't connect with his leading leg, does that mean you can drive a car at someone but get away with it because you missed??

Bruno aimed a forearm at the Arsenal player-and connected. Not sure which part of that isn't a red. Absolutely baffling that he wasn't carded for that.

Both correct.

[toptoon]

Where is the ‘brining the game into disrepute’ charge?

[GBruno]

Agree with every bit.

The goal not being given would have involved guesswork at best at each stage and would have constituted re-refereeing the game.

Bruno-what do you mean it was hardly dangerous'?????? He leapt into the challenge without any thought for Longstaff's safety. It was pure luck that he didn't connect with his leading foot and break his leg. If you're saying it wasn't dangerous because he didn't connect with his leading leg, does that mean you can drive a car at someone but get away with it because you missed??

Bruno aimed a forearm at the Arsenal player-and connected. Not sure which part of that isn't a red. Absolutely baffling that he wasn't carded for that.

I just don’t think either player on the receiving end was in any danger at any time. Longstaff feigned injury as he does several times a game. He’s far worse than Gordon for it.

Yellow cards, play on.

I remember at the time the Havertz tackle didn’t bother me at all. It was a crap tackle but that’s it.

I am even more surprised by the anger around Bruno’s forearm. My toddler has given me harder blows to the head than that. It’s a booking, no more.

Bruno is too emotional at times though. I want our team to be stone faced killers. Havertz does a bad tackle? Don’t moan, just win.
We had 3 players booked over that nonsense.

I think the ref got every major decision correct. He still lost control of the game though. But that’s because most pro footballers are fannies. Dripping wet fannies in the case of Arsenal.

When I think of Arsenal, all I see is a big wet crying fanny. Fannies all over that club. Special mention to Arteta, Jorginho, Gabriel and Arsenal fans TV 😉

[Ragatino]

Where is the ‘brining the game into disrepute’ charge?

Charges have to be in the post.
Quite simply if the league are going to make sense of all this VAR stuff.
I don't like the way the people Refs / Stockley park bods run the tech and a lot of the decisions are a farce.
In the bigger picture, they do get a lot more right than they get wrong.
However, when it's wrong, it's very wrong. Badly wrong.

This is the only way for the league and PGMOL to reclaim authority in the whole Professional management of games mess.

It's not good and does require a lot of improvement, I think at this point every single team in the league has at least 2 or 3 major grievances.

However, just because things go against teams or they don't like the referee / VAR team decisions shouldn't allow them to grand stand and act like Turkey Teeth or Cardboard Cutout head have been carrying on of late.

VAR is the new norm, it's here to stay. We've had decades of crooked calls for Man U, LiVARpool and the other top teams. Now we have proper checks and balances in terms of technology however we still have the same dimwitted clowns and biased muppets running the show.

Over the next few seasons as the old guard are weeded out for incompetence or blatant bias we should see more tech savvy individuals and major refinements/improvements to the tech & the people managing it.

Like I keep banging on about. Legal action from all the clubs against the PGMOL will speed that development up. The clubs should get to decide how the tech and decisions are made. Then there can be no complaint when their are part of the discussion to set the rules & regulations.

It's then a work group not a teacher lecturing children scenario as it feels right now.