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    Martin Samuel in the Times



    Even though it doesn't mean us - Nice to see the hypocracy nailed in a paragraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammy89 View Post


    Even though it doesn't mean us - Nice to see the hypocracy nailed in a paragraph
    Precisely. Jamjam. nothing more to add, even for a gobsh!te like me.

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    It’s hit the nail right on the head with that one line… it’s become punishable for owners to invest in their business.

    Absolutely ok for the Glazers to milk the biggest (commercially) club in the land, but for our owners to put something back in to the game is a big no go!!!

    Rules are just getting changed as soon as a new ‘threat’ comes along.

    It’s not about preserving the clubs as a ‘community asset’ any longer… it’s all about preserving the status of the ‘big 6’!

    Ok, clubs as community assets need to be protected, so do that… allow a club to spend what it earns, a limited overspend as FFP does already, or not a penny more if they really want to.

    But don’t stop any owner from pumping money in to it if they want to.

    As long as club spend, ‘normal’ outgoings including upkeep, wages and transfer fees etc fall within the earnings of the club… that should be a perfectly acceptable way of controlling debt.

    But, if the owners want to invest further in their business, let them - but ensure that any debt accrued though player transfers is attributed to the owners / holding company rather than the club itself.

    That way if an owner gets bored of propping up their club and pulls the plug… it can support itself without the owner input as usual running costs fall within the clubs financial limitations.

    Essentially FFP criteria could be applied the same just with more on the general running costs of clubs and player wages, rather than transfers.

    When they’re playing with their own money, I’m sure wiser decisions would be made by the owners 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guybrush View Post
    It’s hit the nail right on the head with that one line… it’s become punishable for owners to invest in their business.

    Absolutely ok for the Glazers to milk the biggest (commercially) club in the land, but for our owners to put something back in to the game is a big no go!!!

    Rules are just getting changed as soon as a new ‘threat’ comes along.

    It’s not about preserving the clubs as a ‘community asset’ any longer… it’s all about preserving the status of the ‘big 6’!

    Ok, clubs as community assets need to be protected, so do that… allow a club to spend what it earns, a limited overspend as FFP does already, or not a penny more if they really want to.

    But don’t stop any owner from pumping money in to it if they want to.

    As long as club spend, ‘normal’ outgoings including upkeep, wages and transfer fees etc fall within the earnings of the club… that should be a perfectly acceptable way of controlling debt.

    But, if the owners want to invest further in their business, let them - but ensure that any debt accrued though player transfers is attributed to the owners / holding company rather than the club itself.

    That way if an owner gets bored of propping up their club and pulls the plug… it can support itself without the owner input as usual running costs fall within the clubs financial limitations.

    Essentially FFP criteria could be applied the same just with more on the general running costs of clubs and player wages, rather than transfers.

    When they’re playing with their own money, I’m sure wiser decisions would be made by the owners 😂
    Precisely. I concur with all your points mate.

    The fact is that the bindippers, the red filth, Real Madrid etc have for decades manipulated the transfer market and outspent every other club domestically and internationally to control all the elite players & elite youth players.

    Whilst I appreciate that success has affords clubs the benefit or profile and profit they have abused their positions of power and monopolised the markets, dictating to their leagues where players can play.

    The influx of 'new money' has dissolved their power base, they don't like it. The can't match the money involved and don't want to compete after decades of abusing their position.

    There is no more to it that. Anyone who says anything different is an apologies or a total liar.

    Real Madrid as unique case won with titles in the Franco years because clubs were either recipients of brown envelops, those sympathetic to the regime, or the recipient of very real death threats, those who oppose the regime (Catalonian teams)
    - the '59 Cupa del Generalísimo is a classic example of this.

    Barca 3-0 up after the first leg.
    Franco's men entered the Barca dressing room when the Away team arrived in Madrid, showed the players and staff photographs of the wives & children and informed them that they would all be killed.

    The 2nd leg ended 11-1. The consolation goal was scored in the '87th.

    Do you think any Barca team is ever, has ever, will ever be 11 goals worth than a Real Madrid team?

    I discount Real Madrid's achievements as the cheats they are. Much like the cheating, dodgy deals of the Ferguson regime during which they stolen the title.

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