Freezing out and criticising under performing players

[Karl998yr]

What's everyone's spin on this?

It's appears to be happening with Humphries and Bramhall at the minute with Humphries in particular coming in for some public criticism.
It's fair to say neither of these 2 have performed to the standard we know and expect from them recently and I think criticism is, in the main, justified.
In any profession there's an expectation you perform and earn your money. If you don't you get put on an action plan and your job might be at risk.
We all know the players hold the aces these days. They still get paid if they don't get picked.
I think it's hard to know how a player will react to any criticism especially when it's made public. You either come out fighting and prove the manager wrong or you take your ball home and sulk. The latter appears to have happened here and might be to engineer moves away from the club.
Personally I think it was a brave call from Evans but it's nothing new in football. I do think id consider doing the same in his position if other avenues of motivation had failed.
Some will see the irony of an under performing manager calling out under performing players and think it's desparate and deflection tactics to mask his own current inadequcies.

Thoughts?

[NorthWestCorner]

What's everyone's spin on this?

It's appears to be happening with Humphries and Bramhall at the minute with Humphries in particular coming in for some public criticism.
It's fair to say neither of these 2 have performed to the standard we know and expect from them recently and I think criticism is, in the main, justified.
In any profession there's an expectation you perform and earn your money. If you don't you get put on an action plan and your job might be at risk.
We all know the players hold the aces these days. They still get paid if they don't get picked.
I think it's hard to know how a player will react to any criticism especially when it's made public. You either come out fighting and prove the manager wrong or you take your ball home and sulk. The latter appears to have happened here and might be to engineer moves away from the club.
Personally I think it was a brave call from Evans but it's nothing new in football. I do think id consider doing the same in his position if other avenues of motivation had failed.
Some will see the irony of an under performing manager calling out under performing players and think it's desparate and deflection tactics to mask his own current inadequcies.

Thoughts?

No compliants from me. Neither have performed this season or indeed looked that bothered when they have been on the pitch. I rate Humphries but he is no good to us if he isn't performing - I suspect he thinks he's too good for this league and hence cannot be bothered. Possibly true but he was part of the relegation last season and therefore in my eyes, has an obligation alongside a contract to perform to the best of his abilities. Let him go to Derby or wherever. Leaving him out is not impacting on the team or the results.

Bramall - I am afraid he has never delivered. He is quick but lacks skill or delivery. I can count on the fingers of one hand the good games he has had for the club. Leaving him out is also not impacting on the team or the results.

To me, this also says something about the likes of Hughill. Despite him not delivering, he clearly isnt the bad apple that others have suggested he is. Otherwise why would SE keep putting him in the squad. Would appear to me he is just crap!

[UlleyMiller]

Drop the same set of circumstances into any other industry and you'd have the risk of legal issues, a toxic, divisive atmosphere in the workplace, and in the main I think most people I've worked with would see the problem as the leadership rather than individuals performing poorly.

It's not other industries, and criticism is slightly different, but criticism should be appropriately given and the outcomes managed professionally - that doesn't matter what industry you're in.

Evans has got it wrong. It's not ambiguous at all for me, he's just messed it up.

[Godsend.F.C.]

Decent players don't become crap overnight.
Let them move on for a reasonable fee in January if they don't want to be here or both players are not part of the Evans plan going forwards.
( What plan you might ask )

[UlleyMiller]

Decent players don't become crap overnight.
Let them move on for a reasonable fee in January if they don't want to be here or both players are not part of the Evans plan going forwards.
( What plan you might ask )

Correct.

Bramall was working well on the flank earlier this season and his partnership with James (when given a chance) was one of the few positives I've seen. Bramall isn't the best left back, he's not someone who will score goals with his advanced runs, but he's always put a shift in, and has been one of the best tacklers we've had in recent times - if that's gone, it's not down to just him.

[frogmiller]

I think it stinks of failure from the part of the management.

Tell me one player this season that has not made a mistake in a match that hasn't resulted in a goal or has cost us not scoring. You can't and you won't. No one knows what is happening behind closed doors at the club. It should be behind closed doors and kept there.

I have been informed of the situation at the club within the squad. But this comes from players and agents wanting moves so will it be a fair reflection?

Evans should not have said what he said about 8 year old defending and then overlooking Humphreys and not adding him into the squad. It is unprofessional but I expect nothing less from Evans.

He's selling these two players, he has to be and the only thing stopping him doing it will be him getting the sack and another manager comes in and we start afresh.

[the_idiotb_stardson]

Good thread this.

[UlleyMiller]

He's selling these two players, he has to be and the only thing stopping him doing it will be him getting the sack and another manager comes in and we start afresh.

Even if that's his plan, it's still poor because he's impacting their value by pointing very publicly suggesting they're either not good enough at this level, or have attitude issues.

[Derbymiller]

People under perform in their jobs for many reasons and footballers are young men that live in a bubble environment, they have other footballing people and their agents constantly in their ear, these will be factors in this situation. However, good leadership is needed to manage any organisation to ensure it achieves its goals and targets, in my opinion we have seen very little evidence in these last few months that Evans and Raynor qualify as good leaders.
In football they say the league table never lies, well we are 20th and the outcomes we are seeing from the work of SE and PR is reflected in that position. From the recent interviews you can infer that players will have to leave for TS to allow new faces to come in, so SE has to decide who is in his gang or not and it appears that these two are on their way out, it will be difficult to see how we will get better players than these two, when the budget is being tightly managed and we are at the bottom part of the league, players are not joining us for a promotion push.
I don't think the way these two have been managed is very good, no matter what level they have performed at, he should be more professional. Personally I do not believe Evans is very good with young players, he seems to prefer older pros that still connect to his old methods, or players that know how to react to a manager like him.
Overall I think he is a poor leader that is coming to the end of his time and the club would be better if him and Raynor were not our management team. The problem is we have very poor leadership throughout the club, it is financially managed well and we should be grateful for that, but financial management is not leadership and for me SE and PR fit perfectly into TS little world and it will take a lot for him to kick out his mates.
I am travelling a 1000 miles to see the game on Saturday, so I hope SE & PR get us a good result and we see a better performance.

[frogmiller]

Even if that's his plan, it's still poor because he's impacting their value by pointing very publicly suggesting they're either not good enough at this level, or have attitude issues.

IT doesn't matter to Evans because it's not his money Ulley.

Both those players were good enough before and Brahall did it at this level for us before whilst Humphreys is way better than this level.