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Thread: Playing the devils advocate.

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    Playing the devils advocate.

    As most managers are failures. Many fail and go onto better things etc, some never do as well as they have done?

    SM is still learning, should we build from the ground up, support with coaches as we had before etc?

    Do we really want to throw the baby out with the bath water?


    Many on here said at the start of the season, as long as we improve on last seasons position, we are progressing.

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    SM would easily have been able to ride out sixth place and even have it seen as a success if he was a better talker. Youve got to be able to convince people.

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    I think there's some merit in this.

    Obviously when you come back from watching a gutless performance it's easy to call for the manager's head. And I can't blame any fan for doing that, particularly when you consider how relatively badly we've played at home for much of this season.

    However, if reports are the be believed our budget is actually about 12th for the division. Therefore we are overacheiving based on the playing budget alone. And new managers are always a gamble.

    I think the fact that Luke Williams is currently without a club is also playing a part. There are some reports that he was interviewed for the MK Dons job and I like many fans would be happy to see him return to us and sad to see him go to a rival club at our level (which is likely to happen otherwise).

    But if the question is whether i'd be happy to see SM sacked right now without someone like LW lined up it would be a definite no. And it's also possible that the loss of the Saunders brothers is playing a bigger part in our current situation than any of us realised and that replacing them adequately would really help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicianpie View Post
    As most managers are failures. Many fail and go onto better things etc, some never do as well as they have done?

    SM is still learning, should we build from the ground up, support with coaches as we had before etc?

    Do we really want to throw the baby out with the bath water?


    Many on here said at the start of the season, as long as we improve on last seasons position, we are progressing.
    We havent progressed though have we. We have acquired just 9 points more than last season. The difference being last season the competition was better, compared to how poor this season has been..

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicianpie View Post
    As most managers are failures. Many fail and go onto better things etc, some never do as well as they have done?

    SM is still learning, should we build from the ground up, support with coaches as we had before etc?

    Do we really want to throw the baby out with the bath water?


    Many on here said at the start of the season, as long as we improve on last seasons position, we are progressing.
    Maynard arrived at the club as very much part of a team, that's what we employed - a coaching team - not a Head coach singular with a track record of being able to work with anybody who happens to come along. He fell out with the previous manager at Wealdstone, so you could say he has form for rubbing people up the wrong way. No guarantee he would hit it off with whoever Notts decide to lumber him with. It's not as if he likely has tonnes of EFL standard contacts in the game to want as his no.2, if they were prepared to listen to his suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicianpie View Post
    As most managers are failures. Many fail and go onto better things etc, some never do as well as they have done?

    SM is still learning, should we build from the ground up, support with coaches as we had before etc?

    Do we really want to throw the baby out with the bath water?


    Many on here said at the start of the season, as long as we improve on last seasons position, we are progressing.
    100%
    If the brothers decide that there?s a better option then I?d support replacing SM, but I think he?s done well and would be happy to see him here next season.
    SM wasn?t a popular appointment for a lot of fans, and he?s been given no grace because of it. When we win it?s expected but when we lose it?s because of him.
    For everyone that thinks he?s been a failure it would be interesting to know where they thought we would finish before the season started. Add to that we lose Langstaff/Nemane/Crowley and long term injuries to JJ, Robertson + others.
    I don?t think the most optimistic of fans would have predicted top 7, regardless of who the manager is.
    We don?t have a wage budget in excess of the teams around us and we?ve kept in the mix all season. He?s had to manage with losing his coaching staff and the Jan window has been a disappointment.
    I read someone say we?re only in 6th because of moments of brilliance from individuals. Well the 2 that spring to mind are McGoldrick and Crowley. I?d say SM deserves praise for giving Didsy the freedom. He said himself last week that Williams didn?t let him shoot outside the box. Crowley was unplayable at times this season. MKD must wonder what the hell has happened as he?s been nothing above average for them. Again, SM obviously knew how to get the best out of him when ?proven? managers have failed.
    I?m as frustrated as anyone with the opportunities we?ve let slip in the last few weeks, but I don?t see the root cause is the shortcomings of SM.
    And all this when we could still conceivably get promoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durhampie View Post
    We havent progressed though have we. We have acquired just 9 points more than last season. The difference being last season the competition was better, compared to how poor this season has been..
    Hang on...! So we are 9 points better off with 6 points still up for grabs still and yet we haven't improved?...! Your point about the league being better is just an opinion to suit your narrative. Surely if more teams are beating each other and competing for play off places doesn't that mean the league is more competitive?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicianpie View Post
    As most managers are failures. Many fail and go onto better things etc, some never do as well as they have done?

    SM is still learning, should we build from the ground up, support with coaches as we had before etc?

    Do we really want to throw the baby out with the bath water?


    Many on here said at the start of the season, as long as we improve on last seasons position, we are progressing.

    I completely get the reasons why you and others say he should be here next season. Stability, coherence, constancy, hes learning, hes been unlucky with injuries, hes lost (sacked?) his coaches, we are progressing, we are in the playoff positions etc etc.

    However to me football is all about hope and anticipation and another season of Maynardball, especially at home, is about as appealing as a dose of Ebola.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durhampie View Post
    We havent progressed though have we. We have acquired just 9 points more than last season. The difference being last season the competition was better, compared to how poor this season has been..
    We can argue about everyones interpretation of progress and how it can be different and blah, blah, blah?, But it is clear we have made progress when you look at it in the most basic of terms because, do not forget, the only stat that matters on a match day is the score?

    We finished 14th last season.
    As it stands, we will probably finish in the play offs (and we could still finish 3rd).

    We are 8 points better off with two games of the season left.

    Goals F/A - 89/86 last season.
    Goals F/A - 64/46 this season.
    So less goals scored but far less goals conceded.

    Games W/D/L - 18/7/21 last season
    Games W/D/L - 19/12/13 this season.

    I completely understand the indifference, frustration, annoyance, anger and everything in between about us currently and across parts of the season. But to say we have not made progress seems wide of the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroTheFisherman66 View Post
    Your point about the league being better is just an opinion to suit your narrative. Surely if more teams are beating each other and competing for play off places doesn't that mean the league is more competitive?.
    It's definitely more competitive, but competitive at a lower standard than last season in my opinion. I think we'll miss a golden opportunity if we don't go up. I suppose we'll only know in a year or so when we see how the promoted teams do in League 1.

    On the positive side if we don't go up there may be another golden opportunity next season. None of the teams coming down or going up look particularly threatening.

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