Palestine Action Group

[baggieal]

600 arrested and half are over 60 FFS. The group caused millions of pounds worth of damage at an airbase and yet people feel ( mainly elderly ) they can defy the law. It was mainly the elderly who voted for Brexit which had little thought for the younger generation!

I bet the very rich and wealthy Arab states are laughing their socks off at these protests whilst they do nothing. All for peaceful demonstrations but all you hear from the BBC is you have guessed it!! Glad my television licence ended up in the garbage can 🤣

[Omegstrat6]

I certainly don't condone the violence that a few protesters have been involved with or any damage caused but I can certainly understand people protesting at what is happening in Gaza . The Home Secretary, however, has stated that there are sound reasons for proscribing this particular pro-Palestinian group. Maybe it might be better if she gave some transparency to these reasons so people better understood?

What Hamas did in October was heinous and totally indefensible but what Netanyahu is doing now, both in Gaza and the West Bank, has little to do with the hostages or even Hamas, but more to do with him pushing his right wing agenda. Even an increasing number of Israelis are beginning to turn against him but until Trump threatens to pull support I can see him pressing on.

Whilst you cannot compare what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza to the Nazi Holocaust (there are no gas chambers, no murder squads, no camps, no Final Solution) he is, however, killing thousands of Palestinian civilians whether by starvation, deprivation or indiscriminate military action. All this is deliberate. Surely most right-minded people can see this? Support for those civilians suffering is not support for Hamas or Hezbollah or the Iranian regime as some would have it.

As for his land grabs, both in the West Bank and now in Gaza, how is this any different from the Nazi Liebensraum in Eastern Europe? And he has the gall to claim any critics of his actions to be anti-Semetic!

[baggieal]

I certainly don't condone the violence that a few protesters have been involved with or any damage caused but I can certainly understand people protesting at what is happening in Gaza . The Home Secretary, however, has stated that there are sound reasons for proscribing this particular pro-Palestinian group. Maybe it might be better if she gave some transparency to these reasons so people better understood?

What Hamas did in October was heinous and totally indefensible but what Netanyahu is doing now, both in Gaza and the West Bank, has little to do with the hostages or even Hamas, but more to do with him pushing his right wing agenda. Even an increasing number of Israelis are beginning to turn against him but until Trump threatens to pull support I can see him pressing on.

Whilst you cannot compare what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza to the Nazi Holocaust (there are no gas chambers, no murder squads, no camps, no Final Solution) he is, however, killing thousands of Palestinian civilians whether by starvation, deprivation or indiscriminate military action. All this is deliberate. Surely most right-minded people can see this? Support for those civilians suffering is not support for Hamas or Hezbollah or the Iranian regime as some would have it.

As for his land grabs, both in the West Bank and now in Gaza, how is this any different from the Nazi Liebensraum in Eastern Europe? And he has the gall to claim any critics of his actions to be anti-Semetic!

The damage was over 7 million to that airbase so the group deserved to be prescribed a terror group. Not really getting into what?s going on as the very rich Arab countries should be doing more.

The only thing for me is two tier maybe right in recognising a state but firstly the condition with barbaric terrorists ie Hamas should be surrender and free the hostages. I doubt whether Hamas will care about food aid going to women and children first.

[Dubbag]

As for his land grabs, both in the West Bank and now in Gaza, how is this any different from the Nazi Liebensraum in Eastern Europe? And he has the gall to claim any critics of his actions to be anti-Semetic!

Didn't Israel withdraw from Gaza in 2005 unilaterally?
Didn't they withdraw from South Lebanon?

[Omegstrat6]

Didn't Israel withdraw from Gaza in 2005 unilaterally?
Didn't they withdraw from South Lebanon?

Just talking about what Netanyahu is doing now Dubs which is basically just ramping up his position on this since his return to power in 2009.

Of course there are no easy solutions and the whole issue of Israel is complex. Netanyahu (rather like Putin actually) likes to make much of almost mythical historical events but Zionism and the comparatively recent creation of the country have arguably more to do with anti-Semitism in Europe and Russia and failing British colonialism than anything else. A comparison of maps of Israel between 1948 and today show just how far it has expanded.

Just saying that having sympathy for the plight of the Jewish people over many centuries and having sympathy for the Palestinian civilians now should not be mutually exclusive.

[baggieal]

Just talking about what Netanyahu is doing now Dubs which is basically just ramping up his position on this since his return to power in 2009.

Of course there are no easy solutions and the whole issue of Israel is complex. Netanyahu (rather like Putin actually) likes to make much of almost mythical historical events but Zionism and the comparatively recent creation of the country have arguably more to do with anti-Semitism in Europe and Russia and failing British colonialism than anything else. A comparison of maps of Israel between 1948 and today show just how far it has expanded.

Just saying that having sympathy for the plight of the Jewish people over many centuries and having sympathy for the Palestinian civilians now should not be mutually exclusive.

Good points Dubs. Many have less sympathy though because of the following:
1. 7 million pounds worth of damage was shocking beyond belief. The tax payers will be paying for this and every protest which seems to happen weekly.
2. If Hamas were made to surrender and release the hostages then world condemnation of Israel would be made.
3. Hamas don?t care a jot about the citizens and are taking the food aid.
4. When the cost of living in the U.K. is crippling along with 1000 illegals flooding in daily - many are of the view why throw money towards the Middle East over say mega rich Arab states ie Kuwait, UAE, Saudi etc?
5. Everything on the BBC is about Gaza and from certain Labour MP?s. We all know why that is! The terrorism in Ukraine is now secondary.
6. Everything it seems is about others and illegals but if anyone has a differing opinion they are called Far Right FFS. Some of the protests about illegals in hotels have been led by women fed up with girls under 16 being raped and they demand safety. The country is a tinder box awaiting to explode.

There are starving kids and women being raped in far worse countries but nothing is being mentioned!

So all in all - Starmer needs to put more focus on the issues at home but we all know taxes will increase again. Just travelled all around California and was shocked - many Americans like me are no fans of Trump but they acknowledge illegal immigration is almost at 0% with crime and drugs down. Love the patriotism of the Americans too with their flags flying on almost every building as it should!

I digress 🤣

[Dubbag]

Just talking about what Netanyahu is doing now Dubs which is basically just ramping up his position on this since his return to power in 2009.

Of course there are no easy solutions and the whole issue of Israel is complex. Netanyahu (rather like Putin actually) likes to make much of almost mythical historical events but Zionism and the comparatively recent creation of the country have arguably more to do with anti-Semitism in Europe and Russia and failing British colonialism than anything else. A comparison of maps of Israel between 1948 and today show just how far it has expanded.

Just saying that having sympathy for the plight of the Jewish people over many centuries and having sympathy for the Palestinian civilians now should not be mutually exclusive.

More then over 88% of British Palestine mandate went to the Arabs. They want it all....from the river to the sea.
They are not a serious partner for peace. Two state solution is dead in the water.

[Omegstrat6]

More then over 88% of British Palestine mandate went to the Arabs. They want it all....from the river to the sea.
They are not a serious partner for peace. Two state solution is dead in the water.

Sadly agree with you Dubs -but it is not just the extremists on the Palestinian side seeking the destruction of Israel who are against a two state solution. Netanyahu too has been very open about his opposition to the idea but his reasons are just as much about the right-wing beliefs he shares with people like Danielle Weiss as they are about protecting Israel. Even some leading Israelis recognize that Netanyahu has actively worked to keep the Palestinian factions divided in order to prevent a unifying leader arising who might press for a two state solution. Hamas play right into his hands and he knows it.

As for the 88%, the Jewish population in the area has been a minority since the 5th Century, first due to the rise of Christianity and later to the growth of Islam that has dominated the region since the 12th Century. When the British Mandate began in 1923, the Jewish community accounted for about 11% of the population. British support of Zionism in the light of anti-Semitism and persecution across Europe and Russia was not altogether altruistic as the government felt it better the fleeing Jews go to the Mandate than settle in Britain. They tried to placate The Arabs by officially limiting Jewish immigration but the vast majority found ways to enter illegally. Between 1932-39, 225,000 arrived pushing their percentage of the population in Palestine up to 30%. A further 96,000 arrived between 1940-47. Small wonder that tensions grew.

[Dubbag]

Sadly agree with you Dubs -but it is not just the extremists on the Palestinian side seeking the destruction of Israel who are against a two state solution. Netanyahu too has been very open about his opposition to the idea but his reasons are just as much about the right-wing beliefs he shares with people like Danielle Weiss as they are about protecting Israel. Even some leading Israelis recognize that Netanyahu has actively worked to keep the Palestinian factions divided in order to prevent a unifying leader arising who might press for a two state solution. Hamas play right into his hands and he knows it.

As for the 88%, the Jewish population in the area has been a minority since the 5th Century, first due to the rise of Christianity and later to the growth of Islam that has dominated the region since the 12th Century. When the British Mandate began in 1923, the Jewish community accounted for about 11% of the population. British support of Zionism in the light of anti-Semitism and persecution across Europe and Russia was not altogether altruistic as the government felt it better the fleeing Jews go to the Mandate than settle in Britain. They tried to placate The Arabs by officially limiting Jewish immigration but the vast majority found ways to enter illegally. Between 1932-39, 225,000 arrived pushing their percentage of the population in Palestine up to 30%. A further 96,000 arrived between 1940-47. Small wonder that tensions grew.

A population census from 1844 put the total Jewish population in Jerusalem at 7210. The Muslim population at 5000 and the Christian population at 3290. The city was very backwards and the surrounding area very desolate.

[Omegstrat6]

A population census from 1844 put the total Jewish population in Jerusalem at 7210. The Muslim population at 5000 and the Christian population at 3290. The city was very backwards and the surrounding area very desolate.

Hi Dubs. As a city central to the three Abrahamic religions, Jerusalem is it's own entity and I find its history interesting-and quite complex! Simon Sebag Montifore's book on its history is a good one if you've not read it.