The good coach/manager is the only catalyst for success

[ex_pat_magpie]

Looking at our club, where obviously I have more data, memories and recollections as well as tales passed down from father, uncles and both grandads our periods of greatness, to equal any other club at that time have been under exceptional top class managers.

Historically in the early days there was Frank Watt, eight trophies. Dougie Livingstone, reputed to have played beautiful football, Stan Seymour, six trophies in three periods as manager.

Then a long period to my time when we had Mighty Joe Harvey with two trophies then K.K with only one and Sir Bobby with none but what fantastic football they played , and if either had been given longer spells that the big wins would have been there.

Now we are on the verge with another to be great coach manager in Eddie Howe and his successes are only a matter of patient time.

Those facts above are no coincidence, as you only have to look at our competitors who have ruled the roost since the end of the war.

Manure, a nothing team at all until Matt Busby came and rebuilt them to be followed by Fergie, love him or hate him, he was a winner and demanded it. They haven't had a great deal under other lesser managers.

PiddlePool. No better records than us until the Great Bill Shankly emerged, followed by Bob Paisley who between them built the club to where even following average managers carried on with the squads let to them.

Arsenal only successful in the past with top men like Herbert Chapman and Tom Whittaker and recently with George Graham and Wenger.

I don't include the likes of Citeh or Chelski as they simply bought their way into success.

So to sum up I think as long as Eddie Howe is given the right backing and the club a fair crack of the whip we have a glorious future to look forward to.

[Zippity]

For Eddie to get us Champions League football twice in three seasons and win us a cup...win us a fucking CUP!!! with the squad we had is little short of miraculous.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Looking back to historically good periods, as I pointed out in the opening post the successful managers either at our club, or other top clubs in the past have started well, had good support and continuity.

We have almost had it in the early part of last century but even K.K. and Sir Bobby, who both could have gone on to bigger things lacked the support from the top.

I'm sure and confident that the current owners realise this and will ride the ride with Eddie Howe to give him that opportunity.

[Sclox]

Looking at our club, where obviously I have more data, memories and recollections as well as tales passed down from father, uncles and both grandads our periods of greatness, to equal any other club at that time have been under exceptional top class managers.

Historically in the early days there was Frank Watt, eight trophies. Dougie Livingstone, reputed to have played beautiful football, Stan Seymour, six trophies in three periods as manager.

Then a long period to my time when we had Mighty Joe Harvey with two trophies then K.K with only one and Sir Bobby with none but what fantastic football they played , and if either had been given longer spells that the big wins would have been there.

Now we are on the verge with another to be great coach manager in Eddie Howe and his successes are only a matter of patient time.

Those facts above are no coincidence, as you only have to look at our competitors who have ruled the roost since the end of the war.

Manure, a nothing team at all until Matt Busby came and rebuilt them to be followed by Fergie, love him or hate him, he was a winner and demanded it. They haven't had a great deal under other lesser managers.

PiddlePool. No better records than us until the Great Bill Shankly emerged, followed by Bob Paisley who between them built the club to where even following average managers carried on with the squads let to them.

Arsenal only successful in the past with top men like Herbert Chapman and Tom Whittaker and recently with George Graham and Wenger.

I don't include the likes of Citeh or Chelski as they simply bought their way into success.

So to sum up I think as long as Eddie Howe is given the right backing and the club a fair crack of the whip we have a glorious future to look forward to.

Nice post.

Undoubtably. Stable foundations at board level add a manager trusted and respected by fans and ownership alike them its unshakeable. Add high finishes, cups, players developing and increasing in value then its the holy grail isn't it. Success breeds success and the cartel see the green shoots of this at the Toon and are attempting to rock the boat - critical moment this in our history and we have to stay united.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Nice post.

Undoubtably. Stable foundations at board level add a manager trusted and respected by fans and ownership alike them its unshakeable. Add high finishes, cups, players developing and increasing in value then its the holy grail isn't it. Success breeds success and the cartel see the green shoots of this at the Toon and are attempting to rock the boat - critical moment this in our history and we have to stay united.

Quite right Schlox and that is why we have to quickly cut the head off the snake in the Isak situation. Just think a couple of months ago no one would have criticised him , but now in a few short weeks he has shown to be sneaky, unreliable and untrustworthy with an attitude which is beyond repair.

Therefor his only asset to us is the best price we can get for him as quickly as possible to improve the squad beyond what it was when he was here.

Cut the losses, sell and give Eddie a big lump to use as he thinks fit.

[Sclox]

Quite right Schlox and that is why we have to quickly cut the head off the snake in the Isak situation. Just think a couple of months ago no one would have criticised him , but now in a few short weeks he has shown to be sneaky, unreliable and untrustworthy with an attitude which is beyond repair.

Therefor his only asset to us is the best price we can get for him as quickly as possible to improve the squad beyond what it was when he was here.

Cut the losses, sell and give Eddie a big lump to use as he thinks fit.

I agree. If trust is unrepairable then he has to go but not on the cheap to Liverpool. They know the price. We cannot sell to them for a cut price. They spent 116 on Wirtz.

I'd prefer to sell for less overseas or on loan for a year.

[Zippity]

Yep, I think a loan is the option I'd prefer.

We obviously need to replace Isak so we'd have to shell out this Summer and recoup/rebalance/I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about when it comes to football finances when we do sell him.

The problem is Liverpool are the only bidding club BUT, for all the obvious reasons, we can't sell him to them. They've absolutely taken the piss this Summer and the 110 million bid was absolutely laughable and a confirmation that they aren't serious.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Yep, I think a loan is the option I'd prefer.

We obviously need to replace Isak so we'd have to shell out this Summer and recoup/rebalance/I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about when it comes to football finances when we do sell him.

The problem is Liverpool are the only bidding club BUT, for all the obvious reasons, we can't sell him to them. They've absolutely taken the piss this Summer and the 110 million bid was absolutely laughable and a confirmation that they aren't serious.

It's sad that Isak thought they were serious, and this is the entire cause of the problem.

PiddlePool were obviously playing games, tossing in a stupid low bid on the off chance they could get him on the cheap but the main objective was to unsettle the player, in which they were 100% successful, and therefor damage our club's structure.

Surely there must be enough evidence to make a strong case against them.

[Zippity]

Isak has been badly advised and misled by that knob of an agent and massively let down by Liverpool...BUT...he's a grown man and makes his own decisions.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when they heard that Liverpool had bid 40 mil less than we think (apparently) he's worth and less than they had already paid for a player this Summer.

[ex_pat_magpie]

Isak has been badly advised and misled by that knob of an agent and massively let down by Liverpool...BUT...he's a grown man and makes his own decisions.

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when they heard that Liverpool had bid 40 mil less than we think (apparently) he's worth and less than they had already paid for a player this Summer.

Isak must be feeling that he's a right mug. Walked into it open eyed, and took a huge smash in the face.

He must be worrying about where the way out is as PiddlePool are sitting laughing, having used him and deserted him.

I would like to think that a good bid will come in from Europe, and I wouldn't mind if it was payments by instalments or add ons, just that it was a decent price above the stupid scouser's bid.