General News Chat

[mondo_notion]

I called it years and years ago. They were always going to get back together for the big reunion. The falling out was just a huge PR gimmick to guarantee enough hype after the announcement to allow **** like dynamic pricing. The divorce that needs paid for has just accelerated the process.

[57vintage]

'Dynamic Pricing'

Used by Oasis for selling their tickets (assuming other acts use it too?), which sees price rise with demand.

A £150 ticket (bad enough) became £335 a ticket (plus fees) through this mechanism.

First time I had heard of it, but the bands I see wouldn't be subject to this kind of p*sh.

Capitalism at its absolute worst.

“Let the market decide”.

Some extremely high-profile “people’s artists” have embraced it too.

Top-quality gigs at the Lampie for £12/£10 in advance. www.almostbluepromotions.com

[Jupiter]

Oasis are just a pub band who got lucky. I don't know why anybody would want to see them.

[InversneckieDob]

'Dynamic Pricing'

Used by Oasis for selling their tickets (assuming other acts use it too?), which sees price rise with demand.

A £150 ticket (bad enough) became £335 a ticket (plus fees) through this mechanism.

First time I had heard of it, but the bands I see wouldn't be subject to this kind of p*sh.

Capitalism at its absolute worst.

Springs**** fans are familiar with this concept, it first reared its head (to my knowledge) when tickets were sold for the 23 tour.
The bad thing about it, and I confess this has soured my relationship with Freehold's favourite son, was that his manager Landau took to the media and tried to defend it.
Tone deaf would be the mother of all understatements.

As stated, the unacceptable face of the most unacceptable of socio-economic models.

[TheDeeDon]

Springs**** fans are familiar with this concept, it first reared its head (to my knowledge) when tickets were sold for the 23 tour.
The bad thing about it, and I confess this has soured my relationship with Freehold's favourite son, was that his manager Landau took to the media and tried to defend it.
Tone deaf would be the mother of all understatements.

As stated, the unacceptable face of the most unacceptable of socio-economic models.

I was reading up on it last night. Springs**** is alright with it, as long as the money goes to the artist and not the promoter. That I was surprised at. Coming from a guy that handed over money to the striking Miners back in 84.

Commie b@stards Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift are not ok with it and haven't signed up for it.

Crowded House made their promoter pay back the delta on the ticket prices to fans when they discovered they had been signed up to it without their knowledge and Robert Smith of the Cure, just thinks it's a load of *******s and another way in screwing over fans.

I love the argument that if you are not happy with the prices then you are not forced to buy tickets.

Whilst I get the theory in saying that, it's really not the point.

The fact that the Oasis tickets sold out, as did the Springst*en tickets in 23, shows that fools and their money are easily parted.

They should follow the example of Paul Heaton

https://paulheaton.co.uk/

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

I was reading up on it last night. Springs**** is alright with it, as long as the money goes to the artist and not the promoter. That I was surprised at. Coming from a guy that handed over money to the striking Miners back in 84.

Commie b@stards Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift are not ok with it and haven't signed up for it.

Crowded House made their promoter pay back the delta on the ticket prices to fans when they discovered they had been signed up to it without their knowledge and Robert Smith of the Cure, just thinks it's a load of *******s and another way in screwing over fans.

I love the argument that if you are not happy with the prices then you are not forced to buy tickets.

Whilst I get the theory in saying that, it's really not the point.

The fact that the Oasis tickets sold out, as did the Springst*en tickets in 23, shows that fools and their money are easily parted.

They should follow the example of Paul Heaton

https://paulheaton.co.uk/

The whole thing is a crock of s**t. When it comes to gig tickets it is just pricing people out of the running for popular acts, and music will become the domain of the wealthy, there for the kudos of it, rather than the fans.

When it comes to gigs with huge appeal like Oasis or Springs****, it is obvious to all that these will sell out. With Oasis, when you have a queue of 800,000 people waiting for tickets, it is impossible to argue the price increases are based on demand. The demand was there for the second it was announced, and it was obvious demand would far outweigh supply. Therefore the price should have remained flat as demand hadn't changed.

It's like airlines selling X number of seats for this much, Y number for the next amount, Z number for the next amount and so on. Once one price bracket is gone, then it goes up. It is reasonably black and white. One thing I learned from my ex travel agent of a wife (yeah, it was her old job, she's not an ex-wife) is to book early if you want the best price as there is rarely a last minute deal, especially over popular periods.

I'm OK with prices shifting for this sort of thing. Gigs - no. Bands should be there for the people, not for their own balance sheet. Yes, they need to make a living, and things like Spotify have f****d one revenue stream. But pricing fans out of the running when they are already prepared to part with a significant amount of their hard earned cash is just wrong.

It's a far cry from going down to One Up for a £4.50 Nirvana ticket!

[TheDeeDon]

The whole thing is a crock of s**t. When it comes to gig tickets it is just pricing people out of the running for popular acts, and music will become the domain of the wealthy, there for the kudos of it, rather than the fans.

When it comes to gigs with huge appeal like Oasis or Springs****, it is obvious to all that these will sell out. With Oasis, when you have a queue of 800,000 people waiting for tickets, it is impossible to argue the price increases are based on demand. The demand was there for the second it was announced, and it was obvious demand would far outweigh supply. Therefore the price should have remained flat as demand hadn't changed.

It's like airlines selling X number of seats for this much, Y number for the next amount, Z number for the next amount and so on. Once one price bracket is gone, then it goes up. It is reasonably black and white. One thing I learned from my ex travel agent of a wife (yeah, it was her old job, she's not an ex-wife) is to book early if you want the best price as there is rarely a last minute deal, especially over popular periods.

I'm OK with prices shifting for this sort of thing. Gigs - no. Bands should be there for the people, not for their own balance sheet. Yes, they need to make a living, and things like Spotify have f****d one revenue stream. But pricing fans out of the running when they are already prepared to part with a significant amount of their hard earned cash is just wrong.

It's a far cry from going down to One Up for a £4.50 Nirvana ticket!

They might start doing it with others things, like food & energy.

Laugh we may, but I put nothing past the capitalist f*ckers.

[InversneckieDob]

Aye, live music is just mad. Thankfully, most of the artists I'd cross the road to see are shifting tickets at south of £50 a go, often by a fair bit.
Bruce is the only artist in the "Mega" category I'd entertain going to see, and like I said, Bruce Inc's tone deaf response to the furore worried me.

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

Aye, live music is just mad. Thankfully, most of the artists I'd cross the road to see are shifting tickets at south of £50 a go, often by a fair bit.
Bruce is the only artist in the "Mega" category I'd entertain going to see, and like I said, Bruce Inc's tone deaf response to the furore worried me.

What is he - 74 now. My old man is 82, but if Bruce is anything like he was at 74 he wouldn't have a f****n clue what is going on with it, and will barely understand what the internet and mobile phones are! Prepared to put it down to old age and not really getting it.

Who am I trying to kid!

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

They might start doing it with others things, like food & energy.

Laugh we may, but I put nothing past the capitalist f*ckers.

No way would energy price caps go up in the winter when demand is highest.

Oh........wait a minute!

[57vintage]

The issue, which I first noticed when the Stones played a surprise gig at Aberdeen Capitol in 1982, is that these things have now become events that the new hedonists MUST be seen at, and prove it by posting images, in real time to Instaface, X-box or whatever.

Fellow harrumphers David Hepworth and Mark Ellen (Word In Your Ear podcast) have been having their girns about this for years, citing Wimbledon, and cup finals.

Add in neo-lib corporate sponsorship and its a fùcking capitalist narcissistic shìteshow.

[57vintage]

A warning shot from supporters down south (Scotsman, 4 September 2024).

Any club attempting to “infect” English football with dynamic pricing will face “enormous opposition”, the Football Supporters’ Association (FSA) has warned.

The practice has existed for many years in the travel industry but has hit the headlines in recent days after the price of Oasis tickets rose even as fans queued online to buy them.

Spanish clubs Valencia and Celta Vigo state they operate dynamic pricing this season and are believed to be the only European clubs using the model currently, but there are already concerns that English teams are vastly hiking prices, depending on the level of opposition.
The FSA is also deeply concerned by the fact that 19 of the 20 Premier League clubs raised prices over the summer and that those eligible to concessionary pricing – such as children and senior citizens – have been hit especially hard.

“With impeccable timing after the Oasis fiasco, voices in football have started to float the idea of infecting football with dynamic pricing,” the FSA said in a statement.

“Any underhand increases will be met with enormous opposition.”

[TheDeeDon]

A warning shot from supporters down south (Scotsman, 4 September 2024).

Any club attempting to “infect” English football with dynamic pricing will face “enormous opposition”, the Football Supporters’ Association (FSA) has warned.

The practice has existed for many years in the travel industry but has hit the headlines in recent days after the price of Oasis tickets rose even as fans queued online to buy them.

Spanish clubs Valencia and Celta Vigo state they operate dynamic pricing this season and are believed to be the only European clubs using the model currently, but there are already concerns that English teams are vastly hiking prices, depending on the level of opposition.
The FSA is also deeply concerned by the fact that 19 of the 20 Premier League clubs raised prices over the summer and that those eligible to concessionary pricing – such as children and senior citizens – have been hit especially hard.

“With impeccable timing after the Oasis fiasco, voices in football have started to float the idea of infecting football with dynamic pricing,” the FSA said in a statement.

“Any underhand increases will be met with enormous opposition.”

When it is implemented and it will be at some point. Does that mean we'll get in for jam jars and empty Bon Accord ale bottles, when we are on a shyte run and have around 5k at Pittodrie for a midweek league cup game?

With more and more clubs having American owners, including us, it will only be a matter of time before shyte like this is the normal.

[Mason89]

That news story from France has got to be the grimmest thing I think I’ve ever heard.

Every single c*nt involved should get life & that’s being generous.

[57vintage]

Valencia…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2y6kdk4z0o