General News Chat

[Mason89]

Joanna Cherry is a very good politician but career wise, she both played her hand too early & backed the wrong horse. She made a complete @rse of it, which she’s probably bright enough to know. I suspect she’ll keep the heid down for a while & hope it blows over.

As for the bill itself, I saw that there’s around 30 countries & about 300m folk currently living under similar law. I’m sure we’ll be fine as long as the crazies are sidelined. Watch the Conservative Party flash their knickers at Alba to make sure that doesn’t happen. Losers.

[Donanddusted]

"Immediately following the result, [Alister] Jack indicated that the UK Government would go as far as blocking the bill from being given Royal Assent if it doesn't fit with UK-wide legislation.

He said: “We share the concerns that many people have regarding certain aspects of this bill, and in particular the safety issues for women and children.

We will look closely at that, and also the ramifications for the 2010 Equality Act and other UK wide legislation, in the coming weeks - up to and including a Section 35 order stopping the Bill going for Royal Assent if necessary.”

The Tories aren't as bothered by the bill as they are trampling all over any SG powers and making themselves appear as the arbiters of whether any legislation is allowed.

[stewarty27]

Joanna Cherry is a very good politician but career wise, she both played her hand too early & backed the wrong horse. She made a complete @rse of it, which she’s probably bright enough to know. I suspect she’ll keep the heid down for a while & hope it blows over.

As for the bill itself, I saw that there’s around 30 countries & about 300m folk currently living under similar law. I’m sure we’ll be fine as long as the crazies are sidelined. Watch the Conservative Party flash their knickers at Alba to make sure that doesn’t happen. Losers.

" Similar Law " really shows how much you understand about what has just gone on ! you just don't get it all ! Scotland has gone much further than these other counties much much further. Its NOT the bill itself people are worried about its the lack of safe guards within this bill, You keep bumping your gums about Alba ..its not about them its about Women's safe spaces Women's rights . Within the Trans gender community there is only a small amount that will abuse it but that small amount are a danger to Women Girls and indeed Children, Instead of addressing that by accepting a couple of amendments to this bill that would have put safeguards in they left it open to anyone .. including predatory Males pretending to be Women. A rapist on remand can decide to change s e x we then have a crazy situation where the crime would be a Woman raping a Woman. And for sure they'd need a close eye on Him/She/Her/pronoun in Cornton Vale.. Why you don't see this Mason is very worrying, Ah but of course your a right-on I know best probably middle class lefty,

[mondo_notion]

" Similar Law " really shows how much you understand about what has just gone on ! you just don't get it all ! Scotland has gone much further than these other counties much much further. Its NOT the bill itself people are worried about its the lack of safe guards within this bill, You keep bumping your gums about Alba ..its not about them its about Women's safe spaces Women's rights . Within the Trans gender community there is only a small amount that will abuse it but that small amount are a danger to Women Girls and indeed Children, Instead of addressing that by accepting a couple of amendments to this bill that would have put safeguards in they left it open to anyone .. including predatory Males pretending to be Women. A rapist on remand can decide to change s e x we then have a crazy situation where the crime would be a Woman raping a Woman. And for sure they'd need a close eye on Him/She/Her/pronoun in Cornton Vale.. Why you don't see this Mason is very worrying, Ah but of course your a right-on I know best probably middle class lefty,

I've never been a rapist so I don't know but is there a huge queue of them waiting to change s*x in the hope it'll make their predatory work easier?

How much cases has there been?

[Mason89]

" Similar Law " really shows how much you understand about what has just gone on ! you just don't get it all ! Scotland has gone much further than these other counties much much further. Its NOT the bill itself people are worried about its the lack of safe guards within this bill, You keep bumping your gums about Alba ..its not about them its about Women's safe spaces Women's rights . Within the Trans gender community there is only a small amount that will abuse it but that small amount are a danger to Women Girls and indeed Children, Instead of addressing that by accepting a couple of amendments to this bill that would have put safeguards in they left it open to anyone .. including predatory Males pretending to be Women. A rapist on remand can decide to change s e x we then have a crazy situation where the crime would be a Woman raping a Woman. And for sure they'd need a close eye on Him/She/Her/pronoun in Cornton Vale.. Why you don't see this Mason is very worrying, Ah but of course your a right-on I know best probably middle class lefty,

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[DondyDan]

I've never been a rapist so I don't know but is there a huge queue of them waiting to change s*x in the hope it'll make their predatory work easier?

How much cases has there been?

You took the words right out of my mouth. Basing fears and creating hysteria around one case, of one very f***ed up individual, is quite shortsighted.

Being non-resident in Scotland I haven't followed the law too closely so am not going to comment on the safeguarding side, although i do agree safeguarding is crucial (and arguably severly lacking around the world in non LGBTQ+ incidents too). Don't be a playground bully and point and laugh at anyone different. Just accept differences as what makes life diverse and interesting. My only argument here echoes what 57 stated above. Let people be happy, and be themselves, as long as they are doing no harm to others. Don't tar everyone with the brush of a tiny minority or you end up in the territory of 'all Muslims are terrorists, all Americans are gun toting crazies, all Hungarians are racist, people on benefits are scroungers and lazy.......all LGBTQ+ are perverts'. That's not a good place to be.

Then mixing Mondo and 57s sentiments, let them be, and if there is a queue of rapists queuing up for gender reassignment then repeal the law before the damage is done. But I would say that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Oh, and it's "how many cases..." 😉

[Mason89]

The Tories aren't as bothered by the bill as they are trampling all over any SG powers and making themselves appear as the arbiters of whether any legislation is allowed.

Kemi Badenoch released a statement saying exactly that. This was swiftly followed by a swarm of Scottish nationalists thanking her for doing so.

They’re not being played like a 2 Bob fiddle though. Woman’s rights n’that

[donsdaft]

"Royal assent"

What kind of pathetic country needs royal assent before a law made in parliament is ratified?

[DonUnder]

I have no opinion or interest in this as it doesn't affect me but I am curious about one point.

By all accounts s3x offenders get a fairly rough time of it in Jail - boohoo I hear you say.

I suspect many of the women in Cornton Vale may be a little tough and scary.

What odds of an anatomically intact rapist surviving a night in said establishment without receiving an anesthetic free gender re-assignment?

I know (quite well in some cases) some law abiding women that reach for the garden shears if they are called sweetheart.

Just seems an unlikely scenario to raise.

[InversneckieDob]

Kemi Badenoch released a statement saying exactly that. This was swiftly followed by a swarm of Scottish nationalists thanking her for doing so.

They’re not being played like a 2 Bob fiddle though. Woman’s rights n’that

Of course that's the Unionist agenda, the right-wing heid the ba's are a bit triggered by this conceptually (I blame same *** boarding schools.....see "Mogg...") but they're far more triggered by radical, Scotland only, legislation......which is how they view this.

The different drink drive limits slipped past the libertarians on the blind side.

[InversneckieDob]

I have no opinion or interest in this as it doesn't affect me but I am curious about one point.

By all accounts s3x offenders get a fairly rough time of it in Jail - boohoo I hear you say.

I suspect many of the women in Cornton Vale may be a little tough and scary.

What odds of an anatomically intact rapist surviving a night in said establishment without receiving an anesthetic free gender re-assignment?

I know (quite well in some cases) some law abiding women that reach for the garden shears if they are called sweetheart.

Just seems an unlikely scenario to raise.

I guess the day Alan Magregor says he wants to be known as "Alana" alarm bells will sound.

[Donanddusted]

"Royal assent"

What kind of pathetic country needs royal assent before a law made in parliament is ratified?

This one.

[Donanddusted]

Kemi Badenoch released a statement saying exactly that. This was swiftly followed by a swarm of Scottish nationalists thanking her for doing so.

They’re not being played like a 2 Bob fiddle though. Woman’s rights n’that

Divide and rule.

[stewarty27]

You took the words right out of my mouth. Basing fears and creating hysteria around one case, of one very f***ed up individual, is quite shortsighted.

Being non-resident in Scotland I haven't followed the law too closely so am not going to comment on the safeguarding side, although i do agree safeguarding is crucial (and arguably severely lacking around the world in non LGBTQ+ incidents too). Don't be a playground bully and point and laugh at anyone different. Just accept differences as what makes life diverse and interesting. My only argument here echoes what 57 stated above. Let people be happy, and be themselves, as long as they are doing no harm to others. Don't tar everyone with the brush of a tiny minority or you end up in the territory of 'all Muslims are terrorists, all Americans are gun toting crazies, all Hungarians are racist, people on benefits are scroungers and lazy.......all LGBTQ+ are perverts'. That's not a good place to be.

Then mixing Mondo and 57s sentiments, let them be, and if there is a queue of rapists queuing up for gender reassignment then repeal the law before the damage is done. But I would say that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Oh, and it's "how many cases..." ��

There have been a very small amount but that's not the point the opportunity has never really been there before...It is now. We all know how cunning s e xual predators including *****philes can be getting themselves into environments to commit crimes. And I have to be really clear here Trans people have an absolute right to live their lives as they wish and have my full support. Its the holes and gaps in this bill that really worry me and indeed thousands of Women in this country. Its been left open to exploitation and abuse. The zealots who pushed this through and I'm talking about those who have invaded the SNP at every level ..taken over branches and dominate the NEC. These are the folk who don't give a toot about Women's safety and also Trans rights they have done that community a great disservice. By accepting a simple couple of amendments we could have put safeguards in to protect others rights.. Rights to feel safe in spaces. And with respect DondyDan you should have commented on the "safeguarding issue Because that IS the issue !

[stewarty27]

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OK Mason very mature, I'm gonna draw a line under this now. You feel free to carry on in you gratuitous adversarial ways.