The sack race is underway already...

[The Bedlington Terrier]

One defeat and you are gone...

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/football/burnleys-championship-rivals-part-ways-with-manager-just-one-game-into-the-new-season-4738319

[ballcock]

Egg and Spoon man myself

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Egg and Spoon man myself

Dickhead!

[outwoodclaret]

Wolves sack O?Neil and Saints quickly follow suit by ditching Russell Martin. I suspect that the change of manager will probably make little difference to the survival chances of either club. Wolves have sold off a number of their top players but with their experienced squad have an even chance of getting out of the bottom three with or without a new manager. Saints look like Burnley last year and frankly are as doomed as we were. Sacking VK imo would have made no difference whatsoever to our chances of staying up and with the benefit of hindsight would have been a financial blunder given his subsequent move to Bayern. I see a lot of comment on social media (on Facebook chiefly) that Pace is utterly clueless. I suspect that on the contrary he is a shrewd businessman and has a clearer understanding of what is needed at Burnley than many realise.

[malwayne]

Wolves sack O?Neil and Saints quickly follow suit by ditching Russell Martin. I suspect that the change of manager will probably make little difference to the survival chances of either club. Wolves have sold off a number of their top players but with their experienced squad have an even chance of getting out of the bottom three with or without a new manager. Saints look like Burnley last year and frankly are as doomed as we were. Sacking VK imo would have made no difference whatsoever to our chances of staying up and with the benefit of hindsight would have been a financial blunder given his subsequent move to Bayern. I see a lot of comment on social media (on Facebook chiefly) that Pace is utterly clueless. I suspect that on the contrary he is a shrewd businessman and has a clearer understanding of what is needed at Burnley than many realise.

I disagree with your comments about Pace.
How can such a ? successful businessman? as you put it, stand back and watch Kompany spend all that money, and do absolutely nothing about it, and watch us go back to where we?d just come from ? The idea of us getting promotion from the Championship was to STAY in the Premiership, wasn?t it ? Relegation wasn?t part of the plan. The writing was on the wall very early in the season. We could all see what was going to happen, so why didn?t Pace do something about it ?Would a successful businessman allow that to happen ?

[WillPark]

Hi Malwane. What would you call someone who manages to get others to give him 100mill to spend in one summer? Someone who takes over a PL club with money in the bank, yet pays very little of his own money for it? Who takes over a team/club that will need a huge rebuild, makes some huge decisions and within a year breaks several records in the championship and has one the most interesting new managers around?

What makes some people successful is not the fact that they don?t make mistakes?

[malwayne]

I thought successful meant that they always did the right thing at the right time. Not someone who doesn?t act accordingly when things are not going right ? I wouldn?t call that successful. I still maintain the idea of getting to the ? Promised Land? was to stay there. As the season wore on, we became more and more of an embarrassment to everyone connected to our club .Is that how a successful businessman operates ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I disagree with your comments about Pace.
How can such a ? successful businessman? as you put it, stand back and watch Kompany spend all that money, and do absolutely nothing about it, and watch us go back to where we?d just come from ? The idea of us getting promotion from the Championship was to STAY in the Premiership, wasn?t it ? Relegation wasn?t part of the plan. The writing was on the wall very early in the season. We could all see what was going to happen, so why didn?t Pace do something about it ?Would a successful businessman allow that to happen ?

His modus operandi is to trade players at a profit and he is bloody good at that.

[ballcock]

Pace was incompetent beyond belief for not sacking Kompany in November 2023.

It was evident then that Kompany wasn't prepared to change his tactics but keep to his stubborn plan, which was football suicide.

Lets hope Pace as learnt from the Kompany fiasco. Last season Burnley and Kompany were the laughing stock of the Premier League, he had all the tools at his disposal plus the advantage that a relegation rival had a points deduction

No WIILLPARK you are nieve and wide of the mark with your assessment of Kompany

[WillPark]

No WIILLPARK you are nieve and wide of the mark with your assessment of Kompany[/QUOTE]

My assessment of Kompany was that he was one of the most interesting new managers around? I think that is evident with the fact he went to Bayern and they paying us good money for him.

No one gets it right all the time. Kompany bored the life out of me in the PL. Mr Pace fell in love with him and it made him blind. We?ll see if he has learned from it. He did keep with the club values of sticking with the manager, which I at least appreciate. Do you want him to sack Parker if we?re not in position for automatic promotion come March? Or what do you see as the successful way to run this club in the next 6 months?

[sinkov]

His modus operandi is to trade players at a profit and he is bloody good at that.

The following would suggest that he's not that good at it.

Wout Weghorst, Scott Twine, Luke McNally, Samuel Bastien, Manuel Benson, Darko Churlinov, Anass Zaroury, Lyle Foster, Michael Obafemi, Zeki Amdouni, Mike Tresor.

[army88]

I thought successful meant that they always did the right thing at the right time. Not someone who doesn?t act accordingly when things are not going right ? I wouldn?t call that successful. I still maintain the idea of getting to the ? Promised Land? was to stay there. As the season wore on, we became more and more of an embarrassment to everyone connected to our club .Is that how a successful businessman operates ?

I think Mal, Kompany was like marmite and still is as he’s gone to one of the biggest jobs in world football and made Burnley 10 million approx in doing so.

So I can see both sides to this scenario- we win the championship at a breeze playing open expansive football and scoring for fun - you could forgive Pace for getting carried away at that and when VK asks him he says well back you to the hilt to the tune of 100million - sadly the spine of the team on loan disappear and we’re left trying to fill holes that are too big to fill with our budget.

We stick as BT says to a develop young players stratergy and ultimately it costs us our place in the league eventually.

The flip side to that is we did attract good players ( maybe not enough experience- but we were another 100million short ) to make us play how VK saw us playing ( you can call it naive or stubborn ) but VK refused to believe he couldn’t get a tune out of young players and what he had quoting he wouldn’t change the way he played ( just like Martin at Southampton who’s now sacked )

It’s a fine balance to quote Dyche ( fine margins ) between survival success and failure and if VK was here now we’d be going at the championship exactly the same way we did two seasons ago and I’m guessing we’d all be right behind him and exciting
Football.

So there is always going to be people who question the owners and the manager as if you take a step back and look it was a fairytale and when your in it all is well - and if I’m honest Pace was in a bad position as our last manager was here 10 years and he had to let him go VK had only served one and the majority of fans I’d guess would say stick with him and let him go again.

As it turned out the man must have something about him - an eye for players - yes an arrogance - yes but none the less he’s managing Bayern Munich from a small team like Burnley.

Marmite is a good description of the man.

[ballcock]

No WIILLPARK you are nieve and wide of the mark with your assessment of Kompany

My assessment of Kompany was that he was one of the most interesting new managers around? I think that is evident with the fact he went to Bayern and they paying us good money for him.

No one gets it right all the time. Kompany bored the life out of me in the PL. Mr Pace fell in love with him and it made him blind. We?ll see if he has learned from it. He did keep with the club values of sticking with the manager, which I at least appreciate. Do you want him to sack Parker if we?re not in position for automatic promotion come March? Or what do you see as the successful way to run this club in the next 6 months?[/QUOTE]

If we finish the season in the play off places we keep Parker promotion or not. He would have done a good job to get us a play off spot after the dreadful hand he was dealt, last August.

Said it before, say it again. Parker is doing a fantastic job and he is the man to leed us back into the Premier League.

We obviously aren't awash with money but our priority is to keep Trafford, Brownhill and Roberts this January window and bring in a striker on loan who can hit the ground running

[The Bedlington Terrier]

We either keep Brownhill & Roberts or sell them and deplete the squad. History shows us Pace is happy to let players walk for nothing. If the big money is on the table for Trafford he is gone in January.

[ballcock]

We either keep Brownhill & Roberts or sell them and deplete the squad. History shows us Pace is happy to let players walk for nothing. If the big money is on the table for Trafford he is gone in January.

I would be very surprised and disappointed if Trafford went in January.

Pace is certainly not happy for players to walk for nothing I can assure of that, but sometimes you need to read the bigger picture