OT - Has anyone seen Nigel?

[Andy_Faber]

Jeez id even forgot she was leader, I had in my head it was straight from cable to davey

Part SNP surge, part Lib Dem manifesto promise to immediately revoke article 50, part dislike of her personally during the campaign

[Geoff Parkstone]

Has a party leader ever lost their seat in a GE?

What happens if they do but their party is in a position to form a government, you cant, as far as I know, be PM without being an MP.

Still think if they do get elected he won't last long as PM.

1. Arthur Balfour 1906?

2. Went on the greater things upon subsequent bye election by granting a Palestinian state. That worked well.

[Andy_Faber]

1. Arthur Balfour 1906?

2. Went on the greater things upon subsequent bye election by granting a Palestinian state. That worked well.

It would appear GP and I have the best grip on the past AND the future

[swaledale]

We?ve been talking about ?thuggery? and it?s a type of thuggery to demand that others agree with your stance rather than respect the right to another, or no, opinion. It?s part of your unseemly tactics, along with crying ?raciest?, ?bigot?, good German? and ?idiot? at every turn. Speaking about people in the third person ?in public? is also particularly unedifying, if you want to talk about myself,GP, TTR or anyone else who doesn?t share your view, do it in private, I?m sure you can find a way.

You were talking abut credibility, you have none given your comments about Trump, you attacked me for suggesting Trump's war on Iran wouldn't end well, on the basis your Iranian friends were happy with it and I didn't know better than them, hows that gone then?

As for demanding that others agree with my stance, mm I would have thought that a decent right minded person of whatever political leaning would whole heartedly condemn Farage's rabble rousing.

So your still unable to condemn Farge's comments then? That speaks volumes really. Its not complicated is it? Either you find his comments and actions distatsteful, or you don't. Equivocating and employing distraction methods to hide your true f thoughts on this merely confirm my view of you.

I believe that if it walks like a duck, qucks like a duck it probably is a duck, so my references to you regarding racist views, bigoted comments and indeed being a prime example of a "good German" are based on what you post and your views.

You don't like the labels? Tough, you've earned them, own them.

Yes your entitled to your opinions, and yes I'm entitled to call them out.

[swaledale]

It would appear GP and I have the best grip on the past AND the future

The reality is neither of you have!

[swaledale]

Jeez id even forgot she was leader, I had in my head it was straight from cable to davey

Not surprising Sith. the LIB Dems, despite being the 3rd largest English party in parliament are eminently forgettable, not helped by Davey lacking any kind of serious image.

[swaledale]

Wholeheartedly agree with that, Sith. My concern is that Trump (NF’s mentor) and his acolytes have, in relation to your closing comment, rather proved otherwise.

They have, thoughthe Democrats must take the blame in the shambolic way they approached the last US Election and their unwillingness currently to understand why people voted for Trump.

ON a different tack I note that "YOur party" Corbyn's left wing colossuss that attracted over 800,000 members has split. As is often the case, with the left and more recently with the right, internecine disputes over specific issues prevents them from forming a cohesive force. Not that Corbyn or Sultana were ever going to get a credible party off the ground.

[Andy_Faber]

You were talking abut credibility, you have none given your comments about Trump, you attacked me for suggesting Trump's war on Iran wouldn't end well, on the basis your Iranian friends were happy with it and I didn't know better than them, hows that gone then?

As for demanding that others agree with my stance, mm I would have thought that a decent right minded person of whatever political leaning would whole heartedly condemn Farage's rabble rousing.

So your still unable to condemn Farge's comments then? That speaks volumes really. Its not complicated is it? Either you find his comments and actions distatsteful, or you don't. Equivocating and employing distraction methods to hide your true f thoughts on this merely confirm my view of you.

I believe that if it walks like a duck, qucks like a duck it probably is a duck, so my references to you regarding racist views, bigoted comments and indeed being a prime example of a "good German" are based on what you post and your views.

You don't like the labels? Tough, you've earned them, own them.

Yes your entitled to your opinions, and yes I'm entitled to call them out.

Yawn

[SithHappens]

Nigel surfaced today and was asked about Makerfield candidate Rob Kenyons history of crass, ***ist, violent and homophobic comments, Farage said he doesn't care, used the words 'So what'.

Considering Farage himself also has a history of such behaviors its not really a surprise.

[MadAmster]

Said it before and I'll repeat it, there isn't a party in the UK for whom I'd vote, currently. Red Tories and Blue Tories are equally inept. The Turquoise Tories, I find despicable. LibDems can't be taken seriously with the possible exception of by themselves. Restore seem worse than the TT. Greens are awful.

Monster Raving Loony Party anyone?

[swaledale]

Said it before and I'll repeat it, there isn't a party in the UK for whom I'd vote, currently. Red Tories and Blue Tories are equally inept. The Turquoise Tories, I find despicable. LibDems can't be taken seriously with the possible exception of by themselves. Restore seem worse than the TT. Greens are awful.

Monster Raving Loony Party anyone?

Whilst I'd agree that Labour is certainly problematic in certain areas, one has to consider what is the least worse option? A centre right Labour or a far right Tory and Reform? Those crypto billionaires are not funding Farage to look after the "average voter", once he has fooled them into voting for his ludicrous claims, they will be forgotten.

Plus whilst Labour have made many misteps, they have done much more for the "average voter" than the Tories did in 14 years, the issue here is one, reversing the effects of austerity and Brexit would be a big job and take time in any "normal" situation, but its clearly more difficult with the effects of the Ukariane war, Trump's various misdeeds and the after effects of Covid.

Peole want instant change, which is understandable, but its unrealistic, real change takes time to have an effect and governing any country in a way which meets the intrests of many varied groups is not easy. I have this argument with those of a left wing persuasion al the time, who say they are not voting for Labour becuase of, Gaza, Trans rights, etc. etc. pick ones own pet hobby horse. My response is fine, but don't be surprised when that results in a government even more hostile to such matters.

For me Labour's problems are, 1. Starmer who I belive to be decent and well meaning, but is not good at politics, has little charisma (shouldn't matter but voters seem to think it does) and has failed to articulate what if anything he actually believes in and isn't decisive as he attempts to be all things to all people. In fact he is very much like a Lib Dem who always present themselves as reasonable and try to please everyone except the hard right and usually end up as pleasing nobody.

I'd really like to support The Greens, given the environment is the ***** to all our futures, but they seem to ahve moved away from that and got involved in some very niche issues. Zak Polanski is just another populist who promises things that can never be delivered, though there are issues that Labour could develop in a more sensible realistic way.

In the many voters don't bother to look deeply at who they vote for, just the person thats says things they like the sound off, without considering whether whats been promised is achievable, realistic or actually in their interests.

I guess voters get the government they deserve really.

[swaledale]

Yawn

Indeed and still no indication from you that you don't support Farage's incitement to violence and disorder. One can only assume you approve.


I note one of the Southampton protesters that was arrested had 19 previous convictions! Fine company you seem to approve of.

[ramAnag]

Whilst I'd agree that Labour is certainly problematic in certain areas, one has to consider what is the least worse option? A centre right Labour or a far right Tory and Reform? Those crypto billionaires are not funding Farage to look after the "average voter", once he has fooled them into voting for his ludicrous claims, they will be forgotten.

Plus whilst Labour have made many misteps, they have done much more for the "average voter" than the Tories did in 14 years, the issue here is one, reversing the effects of austerity and Brexit would be a big job and take time in any "normal" situation, but its clearly more difficult with the effects of the Ukariane war, Trump's various misdeeds and the after effects of Covid.

Peole want instant change, which is understandable, but its unrealistic, real change takes time to have an effect and governing any country in a way which meets the intrests of many varied groups is not easy. I have this argument with those of a left wing persuasion al the time, who say they are not voting for Labour becuase of, Gaza, Trans rights, etc. etc. pick ones own pet hobby horse. My response is fine, but don't be surprised when that results in a government even more hostile to such matters.

For me Labour's problems are, 1. Starmer who I belive to be decent and well meaning, but is not good at politics, has little charisma (shouldn't matter but voters seem to think it does) and has failed to articulate what if anything he actually believes in and isn't decisive as he attempts to be all things to all people. In fact he is very much like a Lib Dem who always present themselves as reasonable and try to please everyone except the hard right and usually end up as pleasing nobody.

I'd really like to support The Greens, given the environment is the ***** to all our futures, but they seem to ahve moved away from that and got involved in some very niche issues. Zak Polanski is just another populist who promises things that can never be delivered, though there are issues that Labour could develop in a more sensible realistic way.

In the many voters don't bother to look deeply at who they vote for, just the person thats says things they like the sound off, without considering whether whats been promised is achievable, realistic or actually in their interests.

I guess voters get the government they deserve really.

Have to agree with all that. For me Labour remains the best choice but the bar is seriously low.

Either way, I can’t see Starmer surviving this latest resignation. That saddens me because, although perhaps lacking in charisma, he has infinitely more ability and integrity than Johnson and Truss put together and I believe he continues to try to do the best thing for the country.

Where do we go from here, who knows? If Burnham wins next Thursday then at least there is a leader in waiting, but who’d really want the poisoned chalice that currently goes with being PM - narcissistic Nige apart of course. If Burnham doesn’t want it so soon, who is capable of stepping up?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Swale. "In fact he (Starmer) is very much like a Lib Dem who always present themselves as reasonable and try to please everyone except the hard right and usually end up as pleasing nobody.

I'd really like to support The Greens, given the environment is the ***** to all our futures, but they seem to ahve moved away from that and got involved in some very niche issues"

It's not often I can say this but I completely agree with those two sentiments. Move out of the rear gunning seat rA there's a new airman in town 😃

[ramAnag]

Move out of the rear gunning seat rA there's a new airman in town 😃

Lol. With you there Swale had better invest in some back protection.