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[AdiSalisbury]

So...as Brexit gets ever nearer the first three months of this year sees the lowest economic growth in this country since 2012.
I doubt it’s a coincidence but doubtless the Brexiteers will blame the snow...course it didn’t snow anywhere else in Europe did it?

2012 when we were... fully fledged members of the mighty EU, rather than being Little Britain? Perhaps it snowed in 2012.

[ramAnag]

2012 when we were... fully fledged members of the mighty EU, rather than being Little Britain? Perhaps it snowed in 2012.

I’m sure it did Adi...which is exactly why we can’t blame the weather but must look at the self inflicted ruination caused by following the vote of 17m of our £47m electorate which apparently somehow represents ‘the will of the people’.

[Andy_Faber]

I’m sure it did Adi...which is exactly why we can’t blame the weather but must look at the self inflicted ruination caused by following the vote of 17m of our £47m electorate which apparently somehow represents ‘the will of the people’.

Feedback I’m getting down on the coal face of industry has moved significantly from either moaning or gloating about the result to getting in deep on impact. Farmers are about 50/50 depending on their niche, for instance, pharma R&D where I have a lot of interaction are highly excited at being freed from EU bureacracy and hoping to move towards a more pioneering US approach. In general a real mix

[Ram59]

So...as Brexit gets ever nearer the first three months of this year sees the lowest economic growth in this country since 2012.
I doubt it’s a coincidence but doubtless the Brexiteers will blame the snow...course it didn’t snow anywhere else in Europe did it?

The economic growth figures are a comparison with what has gone on before Anag. So weather conditions can make a difference in this country if they are a lot worse than previous. Likewise, future growth figures could be artificially higher because of normal weather conditions prevailing again.

Yes, it snowed elsewhere in Europe, but was it any worse than normal?

On a side note, it was interesting to hear that in March, excluding investment, the government ran at a surplus for the first month since 2002. So during the boom years of Blair and Brown, the government was running at a deficit long before the crash of 2008. It was a car crash waiting to happen, the bankers just helped it along.

[ramAnag]

Vote Vince chaps!

[Andy_Faber]

Vote Vince chaps!

He does stand alone as a principled bloke, I like his doddery old style

[Andy_Faber]

So the size of the EU budget deficit caused by Brexit is now known (sort of), and they are quoting £10bn - £15bn per annum. On the one hand, that proves the lie to the £350m per week battle-bus mantra, on the other hand UK's contribution based on that spread has still been between £188m and £288m per week. That'll pay for an awful lot of nurses (or as Malcolm Tucker said, one enormous robotic one). No wonder EU are p***ed off with us leaving, I can see UK and EU both being weaker coming out of this

[ramAnag]

So the size of the EU budget deficit caused by Brexit is now known (sort of), and they are quoting £10bn - £15bn per annum. On the one hand, that proves the lie to the £350m per week battle-bus mantra, on the other hand UK's contribution based on that spread has still been between £188m and £288m per week. That'll pay for an awful lot of nurses (or as Malcolm Tucker said, one enormous robotic one). No wonder EU are p***ed off with us leaving, I can see UK and EU both being weaker coming out of this

Which is what many in the country and some on here have been saying for a while...but apparently just over a third of the electorate clearly represents the ‘Will of the People’ and...when it suits the likes of Fox, Johnson, Gove and Farage...suddenly becomes sacrosanct.

[Ram59]

So the size of the EU budget deficit caused by Brexit is now known (sort of), and they are quoting £10bn - £15bn per annum. On the one hand, that proves the lie to the £350m per week battle-bus mantra, on the other hand UK's contribution based on that spread has still been between £188m and £288m per week. That'll pay for an awful lot of nurses (or as Malcolm Tucker said, one enormous robotic one). No wonder EU are p***ed off with us leaving, I can see UK and EU both being weaker coming out of this

The 350m is our contribution each week, of which we get back nearly half in the form of farm subsidies, grants and various other contributions, but these are controlled by the EU.

Technically speaking, our government will have 350m per week extra in the coffers, but will have to make allowance for those who will miss out on these eu contributions. They may decide that not all of them are deserving of such contributions. Such as my wealthy friend who's very profitable company was given 350k to buy a new machine.

[ramAnag]

So the Aaron Banks (UKIP founder) funded Leave campaign has been found to have broken the rules and will now be fined the princely sum of £70,000 for impacting on the most momentous decision this country has had to make in the last fifty years.
Bit like FFP, only with massively greater consequences. What is the point of having these rules surrounding issues where the rewards are huge and the punishment for breaking/ignoring them amounts to little more than a smack on the wrist?

[MadAmster]

So the Aaron Banks (UKIP founder) funded Leave campaign has been found to have broken the rules and will now be fined the princely sum of £70,000 for impacting on the most momentous decision this country has had to make in the last fifty years.
Bit like FFP, only with massively greater consequences. What is the point of having these rules surrounding issues where the rewards are huge and the punishment for breaking/ignoring them amounts to little more than a smack on the wrist?

When will the online petition for a 2nd vote start?

[Andy_Faber]

When will the online petition for a 2nd vote start?

Dead in the water, will never get 37% of the population signing it

[ramAnag]

Dead in the water, will never get 37% of the population signing it

You seem to be having an untypically cynical and just plain wrong day Andy. After everything that has become apparent since that fateful day of almost two years ago I have no doubt that a 2nd Referendum would result in both a higher turn out and an entirely different result.
My problem is I think any sort of referendum on such a complex issue is a nonsense, so why have another?
Just treat it as what it was...advisory...the advice being that just over a third of our electorate have doubts about the workings of the EU and misgivings about the level of immigration while just under two thirds think we’re better off in or it’s not worth worrying about.

‘We the undersigned wish to Exit Brexit, see QPR relegated to League 2 and Derby County given the money they lost out on when beaten by a team who had clearly broken the FFP rules’. There you go...job done. Little support from Nottinem and Shepherds Bush but should be okay elsewhere.

[Trickytreesreds]

So the Aaron Banks (UKIP founder) funded Leave campaign has been found to have broken the rules and will now be fined the princely sum of £70,000 for impacting on the most momentous decision this country has had to make in the last fifty years.
Bit like FFP, only with massively greater consequences. What is the point of having these rules surrounding issues where the rewards are huge and the punishment for breaking/ignoring them amounts to little more than a smack on the wrist?

Will the remain liars, be paying back the tax payers propaganda leaflet. pumped through our letter boxes by Cameron?
£9 million pound that cost. What gave him the right to do it and try to twist folks minds?
The prime minister and his monkey, should have taken a neutral stance. They didn't.
Osborns lies were off the planet then, monetary wise.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/apr/07/eu-referendum-government-9m-pro-eu-leaflet-campaign-dismissed-as-outrageous-politics-live

Let it go Ramanag, it's getting boring now.

Had the vote gone the other way, the leavers would have been flogged for continuing to moan like your lot.
As has been said, remoaners are looking for anything to cling to. Its like painting a target where the arrow hit the board.

[ramAnag]

Will the remain liars, be paying back the tax payers propaganda leaflet. pumped through our letter boxes by Cameron?
£9 million pound that cost. What gave him the right to do it and try to twist folks minds?
The prime minister and his monkey, should have taken a neutral stance. They didn't.
Osborns lies were off the planet then, monetary wise.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/apr/07/eu-referendum-government-9m-pro-eu-leaflet-campaign-dismissed-as-outrageous-politics-live

Let it go Ramanag, it's getting boring now.

Had the vote gone the other way, the leavers would have been flogged for continuing to moan like your lot.
As has been said, remoaners are looking for anything to cling to. Its like painting a target where the arrow hit the board.

Why would I let it go when there’s still time for people to come to their senses?

It may be boring but it is very important and, be honest, you only want people to shut up because you feel challenged.
Let’s not forget what your hero NF said - when he still thought he was going to lose - about if the result was close that he wouldn’t be keeping quiet and would be going after another vote.