OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

We won’t need to piss into the tent, it will not be our tent anymore..
We won’t agree on this, that’s fine. For me you are taking the easy option to stay, leaving will be painful and that’s what the EU are banking on. We will have to work bloody hard and there will be winners and losers.. Industries fail all the time, others spring up.
Some adjust and survive, some won’t.. It will be the same in or out of the EU.
A deal is preferable but I doubt it’s possible now unless the new commissioners have a more conciliatory view. Maybe?

Thats where the driving over the cliff analogy comes in, its not an easy option to stay, its the most sensible and best option for the UK and its citizens. How on earth is it a sensible decision to become more isolationist, be dependent upon the largesse of bigger countries with more bargaining power and in many cases dubious political views, instead of being part of a group of countries cooperating together?

Of course we will be outside pissing in, what part of we will still have to observe the vast majority of EU regulations and laws because the majority of our trade is with the EU do you not understand, how do you not realise the inter dependency between the UK and the EU which will continue to be the case after Brexit?

Your optimism that something will turn up and save the day is misplaced, Brexit has already cost the UK and its citizens millions of pounds, its a self inflicted wound, the only grounds you and the majority of Brexiteers have is that somehow, everything will turn out Ok and if there is further economic fall out, well thats a price worth paying for so called independent sovereignty, which will actually be no greater than now in reality?

Yet again in a conversation with a Brexit supporter, not one single advantage of brexit can be claimed, just vague assumptions that "everything will turn out fine" and a complete ignoring of the nature of the people who are leading the Brexit charge.

Anyway we wont be leaving without a deal, IF we actually leave at all, no sane politician who truly has the interests of the UK and its citizens at heart would allow that to happen.

[MadAmster]

No Deal has to be a weapon in Bojo's/Hunt's armoury or there will be no change to the May deal and Parliament has already made perfectly clear that her deal is unacceptable on several occasions.

The EU claims there will be no changes. The problem with the May deal is that it could tie the UK into the EU forever and the only thing the UK would be out of would be the decision making process. There would still be the Customs Union, Freedom of Movement and huge annual payments on top of the £39Bn divorce bill.

You all know how much I am against the EU. Given a choice between May's deal or no Brexit I would plump for no Brexit. THAT is how bad her deal is. As I have said before, these circumstances have been, IMO, deliberately manufactured by May et al with the sole purpose of keeping the UK in the EU or, at worst, as close to full membership as possible without being in. Task fulfilled.

[AngryRam]

Of course we will be outside pissing in, what part of we will still have to observe the vast majority of EU regulations and laws because the majority of our trade is with the EU do you not understand, how do you not realise the inter dependency between the UK and the EU which will continue to be the case after Brexit?

Yet here is me thinking that we will never trade with the EU again. Hmmm.


Yet again in a conversation with a Brexit supporter, not one single advantage of brexit can be claimed, just vague assumptions that "everything will turn out fine" and a complete ignoring of the nature of the people who are leading the Brexit charge.

See i'm confused with the benefits of staying and just who these people are who are leading the Brexit charge. Big business? Yet they gain more from being in the EU and indeed it could be argued run the EU. Everyone has a self interest, politician more than anyone. It could be argued that's why some MPs are so anti leaving. The gravy train stops once they lose their seats and they cant now find a nice little EU number to fill the void. I guess they could teach? Change is difficult for some, I understand that but that is not a reason to change. What are these fantastic benefits from staying. Status Quo? Trading with 27 like minded countries? Change from within? Not buying it. The EU is flawed and wobbling.

Anyway we wont be leaving without a deal, IF we actually leave at all, no sane politician who truly has the interests of the UK and its citizens at heart would allow that to happen.

''No sane politician'' I will just leave that there for you to ponder that statement. Better get ready to leave then my wooly friend.

[AngryRam]

No Deal has to be a weapon in Bojo's/Hunt's armoury or there will be no change to the May deal and Parliament has already made perfectly clear that her deal is unacceptable on several occasions.

The EU claims there will be no changes. The problem with the May deal is that it could tie the UK into the EU forever and the only thing the UK would be out of would be the decision making process. There would still be the Customs Union, Freedom of Movement and huge annual payments on top of the £39Bn divorce bill.

You all know how much I am against the EU. Given a choice between May's deal or no Brexit I would plump for no Brexit. THAT is how bad her deal is. As I have said before, these circumstances have been, IMO, deliberately manufactured by May et al with the sole purpose of keeping the UK in the EU or, at worst, as close to full membership as possible without being in. Task fulfilled.

I heard on the news this morning that no deal has never been mentioned in our negotiations with the EU. It's like playing poker with everyone knowing your cards. They were/are laughing at us. Time to go on the offensive.

[Trickytreesreds]

I heard on the news this morning that no deal has never been mentioned in our negotiations with the EU. It's like playing poker with everyone knowing your cards. They were/are laughing at us. Time to go on the offensive.

I concur. The back stop is the biggest sham/lie ever invented.
Like buying a car but the previous owner keeps the V5?

Folks forget we was conned into this venture.
Nothing against free trade.

WHERE DID WE EVER AGREE TO A POLITICAL UNION, DRIVING FOR EVER CLOSER INTEGRATION?

Shove your veto where the sun don't shine. It means nothing and always has.
Think where we started and where we are now. Name me one vote we have ever won in the EU?

We joined a group of 9 nations of similar levels, for economic benefits.
Everything looked ideal. Expansion in territory/finance/law/sovereign rights have been forced ever since.

Hard ball should have been played from day one.
That's what you get for putting a spineless,remainer at the negotiating table.

[AngryRam]

We joined a group of 9 nations of similar levels, for economic benefits.
Everything looked ideal. Expansion in territory/finance/law/sovereign rights have been forced ever since.

Exactly, that's why we need out now. Remember 'change from within' though. Worked well so far.

[MadAmster]

I heard on the news this morning that no deal has never been mentioned in our negotiations with the EU. It's like playing poker with everyone knowing your cards. They were/are laughing at us. Time to go on the offensive.

Something our government should have done 3 years ago. Instead they dillied and dallied allowing the EU to make all the rules leaving May little option but to go along with a situation where, as far as she was concerned, the UK was either still in the EU are only out of the decision making process. No deal was a no chance option to her and hers which is why she never thrust it in the EUs faces.

Complete and utter capitulation IMO.

[swaledale]

Something our government should have done 3 years ago. Instead they dillied and dallied allowing the EU to make all the rules leaving May little option but to go along with a situation where, as far as she was concerned, the UK was either still in the EU are only out of the decision making process. No deal was a no chance option to her and hers which is why she never thrust it in the EUs faces.

Complete and utter capitulation IMO.

It depends upon where you you heard it from! Given most of the media is owned by very rich people (most not even living in the country) who are desperate for a no deal brexit, then its more than likely just a another load of *******s fed to people to dim to understand these things!

But no doubt what had been missing was someone who would look the EU in the eyes and tell them we were mad and self-destructive enough to trash the entire country to get things done. Of course there would be casualties along the way, but true patriotic Brits should be prepared to lay down their lives so that everyone who survived could be made poorer.

[Manofpride]

It depends upon where you you heard it from! Given most of the media is owned by very rich people (most not even living in the country) who are desperate for a no deal brexit, then its more than likely just a another load of *******s fed to people to dim to understand these things!

But no doubt what had been missing was someone who would look the EU in the eyes and tell them we were mad and self-destructive enough to trash the entire country to get things done. Of course there would be casualties along the way, but true patriotic Brits should be prepared to lay down their lives so that everyone who survived could be made poorer.

I think you need to read this!

https://www.powerofpositivity.com/know-it-all-behaviors/

[AngryRam]

I think you need to read this!

https://www.powerofpositivity.com/kn...all-behaviors/

Had to have a go..

''You're the Strategist''
(An influential organiser) You've got the perfect plan, so others follow it.

Is it too late to join the Tory Party? I've got this Brexit poo nailed. We're okay folks.
Working on my manifesto now..

**** Joke Alert ****
Cardigans are banned, so are slippers. More to come.
Also working on the new cabinet.
Minister of repetition - Let me think.
Foreign Minister - MoP
Minister for deprived areas - TTR
Minister of subliminal messages - Geoff.
WIP

Swaledale is in the Monster Raving Loony Party, so no openings there. Square peg, square hole.
Now Misatram... Hmmm there is a difficult one. Minister for misinformation?

[Geoff Parkstone]

OOOH I like the idea of responsibility for propaganda: PJG got nothing on me.

Who can take on Goldstein's role in my Two Minutes of Hate videos? TMDS and his aliases, of course, along with his fellow Brotherhood member, DCFCArmy.

[AngryRam]

OOOH I like the idea of responsibility for propaganda: PJG got nothing on me.

Who can take on Goldstein's role in my Two Minutes of Hate videos? TMDS and his aliases, of course, along with his fellow Brotherhood member, DCFCArmy.

It's a key role my friend. I know you won't let us down.

DCFCArmy could be posted overseas.. I'm thinking US Ambassador and let's see how Trump deals with that little bundle of chaos.

[Geoff Parkstone]

can you use DHL to post him overseas, but please don't drill any air holes in his freight crate. Maybe send him to Area 51 for security purposes

[AngryRam]

can you use DHL to post him overseas, but please don't drill any air holes in his freight crate. Maybe send him to Area 51 for security purposes

It just so happens I have a DHL account. Consider it sorted.

[swaledale]

No Deal has to be a weapon in Bojo's/Hunt's armoury or there will be no change to the May deal and Parliament has already made perfectly clear that her deal is unacceptable on several occasions.

The EU claims there will be no changes. The problem with the May deal is that it could tie the UK into the EU forever and the only thing the UK would be out of would be the decision making process. There would still be the Customs Union, Freedom of Movement and huge annual payments on top of the £39Bn divorce bill.

You all know how much I am against the EU. Given a choice between May's deal or no Brexit I would plump for no Brexit. THAT is how bad her deal is. As I have said before, these circumstances have been, IMO, deliberately manufactured by May et al with the sole purpose of keeping the UK in the EU or, at worst, as close to full membership as possible without being in. Task fulfilled.

Mays deal was the WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT, which would then allow up two years to negotiate the final trade and other deals - how a transition period ties any country into anything is beyond me, as is the complete inability of most people to understand even the most simple concepts surrounding the EU, whoever thought about having a referendum was completely crackers!