OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

I never understand your anti BBC tirades, [/QUOTE]

Not actually Brexit-related, but the complete shambles they've made of the Radio 2 evening schedule by their clumsy attempt to to be PC is my current exhibit 'A' for the prosecution. And despite the warm words from those concerned, one of the DJs is in a rage about it, and 'saw my ultimate fate coming from day 1'. Provenance for this pretty cast-iron which I will PM you if you wish.

[ramAnag]

I never understand your anti BBC tirades,

Not actually Brexit-related, but the complete shambles they've made of the Radio 2 evening schedule by their clumsy attempt to to be PC is my current exhibit 'A' for the prosecution. And despite the warm words from those concerned, one of the DJs is in a rage about it, and 'saw my ultimate fate coming from day 1'. Provenance for this pretty cast-iron which I will PM you if you wish.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, tbh I have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m sure they’ve made mistakes and I’m equally sure many of their employees are vastly over paid. So are the majority of footballers but that doesn’t stop me going to watch football.
As a news provider I believe they do a decent and impartial job and I enjoy and admire many of their productions.
I don’t agree that the BBC has ‘developed a mocking tone’ towards Leavers but let’s face it...SOME Leavers and Ukippers don’t need to be presented in a ‘mocking way’...they just open their mouths.

[Andy_Faber]

As a news provider I believe they do a decent and impartial job and I enjoy and admire many of their productions.

In summary I agree with the second bit but no longer with the first bit

[ramAnag]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-political-clan-test-research-uk-general-election-right-wing-left-bmg-a8599586.html

Don’t have to read it all but it might be interesting to learn which clan we belong to apart from the DCFC one.
I’ll share mine if and when others do.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well well, Im a measured middle, which is odd as I don't really like barbecues and i despise cars

whatever that means

[Geoff Parkstone]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8599586.html

Don’t have to read it all but it might be interesting to learn which clan we belong to apart from the DCFC one.
I’ll share mine if and when others do.

I reckon, given your lack of interest in this thread generally, you must be an apathy clansperson rA

[Andy_Faber]

Measured middle which hides the fact that I don’t have s moderate opinion on almost any of the questions

[ramAnag]

Hah! You two moderate, measured, middle of the roadies!
No GP...I’m apparently in the ‘Common Sense Solidarity’ clan.
It all makes so much sense now.

[Geoff Parkstone]

yes, I found much the same Andy - extreme opposite opinions tend to average out and end up as measured middle which sort of makes no sense. Interestingly the measured middle clan are the smallest clan of the 10, yet the first twoon here are members?

[MadAmster]

I went to a Brexit briefing yesterday organised by the UK Embassy, the Dutch Foreign Ministry and the Dutch Ministry of Justice and Security.

The message was that, with the exception of the Irish border backstop, there were no more major hurdles to cross. With or without a deal people will still be able to go abroad for a holiday without a visum both EU to UK and vice versa. To work/live abroad will require a visum. Existing "no double taxation" agreements will remain in place. Until the end of the 2 year transition period little will change. Open Skies agreements remain permanently in place in place..... Police forces will still communicate and European arrest warrants will still be honoured. Secret services will continue to swap intelligence. NATO forces will still do what they always have done.

The reality is nowhere as bad as Remainers have forecast. Whether it as rosy as Brexiteers forecast remains to be seen.

[Geoff Parkstone]

hmmm, well at least it will be easy for package tourists going to Spain to not queue up. Thank God for that - but what about trade and tariffs, customs controls, VAT and all those good things that do not seem to have made your party bag? is the inference that these major issues have not been resolved but mere fripperies like tourist visa have been?

[ramAnag]

hmmm, well at least it will be easy for package tourists going to Spain to not queue up. Thank God for that - but what about trade and tariffs, customs controls, VAT and all those good things that do not seem to have made your party bag? is the inference that these major issues have not been resolved but mere fripperies like tourist visa have been?

Yep, the ending of 750 odd treaties along with 60.7% of our imports and 67% of our exports seem almost incidental now. As do the imposition of WTO tariffs, the loss of foreign companies no longer attracted by our role as ‘gateway to Europe’ and the total confusion surrounding business futures. Sorry MA...not convinced.

[MadAmster]

Yep, the ending of 750 odd treaties along with 60.7% of our imports and 67% of our exports seem almost incidental now. As do the imposition of WTO tariffs, the loss of foreign companies no longer attracted by our role as ‘gateway to Europe’ and the total confusion surrounding business futures. Sorry MA...not convinced.

All of the ones I mentioned are part of the 750 treaties you speak of. There appears to be agreement, so we were told, on just about all of them. The only sticking point is the Irish border question.

One multinational has just decided NOT to move its HQ from London to the Netherlands.......

It wont be the rosy picture painted by Gove and Johnson and Farage but it will be nowhere near the catastrophe some would have us believe.

If it isn't the way the Embassy and two Dutch ministries explained last night, believe me, I will be stirring the waters........ big time.

[swaledale]

All of the ones I mentioned are part of the 750 treaties you speak of. There appears to be agreement, so we were told, on just about all of them. The only sticking point is the Irish border question.

One multinational has just decided NOT to move its HQ from London to the Netherlands.......

It wont be the rosy picture painted by Gove and Johnson and Farage but it will be nowhere near the catastrophe some would have us believe.

If it isn't the way the Embassy and two Dutch ministries explained last night, believe me, I will be stirring the waters........ big time.

Really? Mm 17% reduction in economic activity in Uk since the vote, its already happening - thousands of jobs migrating to europe - I know I've been involved in a number of relocations of HQ's and company operations in the past two years and we dont even know the deal yet!

Of course life wills till go on - in Zimbadwe it still goes on despite economic melt down but anyway Rees Mogg has come up with the answer

Jacob Rees-Mogg says most people in the uk will be able to offset any adverse negative brexit effects with their savings, shares, bonds, inheritance and work expenses.

Simple init?

And Ress-Mogg, Johnson and Farage say its the "elites" (in their eyes people who have worked hard to get where they are, rather than inheriting their wealth!) who oppose Brexit which is "the will of (37%) of the people! FFS!

[MadAmster]

Swale, I am anti EU with a vengeance. It is inefficient, incompetent, an unwieldy institution, a monolith that needs taking down.

You can only do that from within. Unless the hope is that without the UK's approximate £180M a week of net payments to the EU, the other 2 major net contributors, Germany and the Netherlands, might start to disintegrate financially under the extra weight only they can carry.......... that's £9,360,000,000 a year.