OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Although you aren't quite so explicit here, its a tactic of an increasing number of in-denial remainers to state theat a no-deal Brexit is definitely NOT what leavers voted for. I keep reading the wording of the ballot paper and it for sure DOESN'T exclude a no-deal Brexit, in fact it isn't specific at all

Of course it doesn’t, Andy...it’s a simple ballot paper. You will though, I’m sure, remember all the talk of an ‘orderly and well managed exit’, and the desire for continued tariff free trading etc.
That and everything else I referred to earlier today will not be possible in a ‘no deal’ scenario.

[MadAmster]

Good call. But it won't change without something drastic happening.
You only have to listen to Verhofstadt to know that. Every hiccup, "more union" is the cry.

Us leaving, will in my opinion trigger others to consider it. It needs to be proven.
Unelected officials running large araes is just not on.

Tricky, it seems you an I are very much on he same page here.

1. Correct it won't change without something drastic happening. IMO the UK leaving isn't drastic enough in itself to prompt a huge change in EU direction.

2. Every bump in the road, every hiccough, every "populist" vote does, indeed, see Verhofstadt et al cry "more union" but that has always been their desire.

3. Us leaving won't get others considering **exit themselves, however, a Brexit that is closer to the paradise BoJo and Farage predicted than to the desolation Remainers predicted WILL see others daring to buck the EU horse and push for an exit themselves.

4. This is the bit where we differ. I used to be of the persuasion that the EU Commission is unelected but a review of facts and possibly my own thoughts led me to this comparison. In the UK we tend to have a General Election every 4 or years. That election decides which party(ies) form the government of the day. The leader of the largest party becomes Prime Minister. He/she in turn chooses the members of the cabinet. You and I cannot do anything during the term of that Parliament to sack the Home Secretary or the Chancellor of the Exchequer, only the PM can do that. We can only vote that party out of office come the next GE. In the case of the EU there are also set term elections for the MEP seats. Member states can put forward the names of possible candidates for membership of the EU Commission. The MEPs then vote for which candidate gets which job. This is where my knowledge lets me down a little, I don't know whether ther is a mechanism for ousting the likes of Juncker et al. Their jobs are up for renewal following each EU election.

In both Brussels and in Wetsminster, the Minister/Commissioner MAY be an MP/MEP but doesn't have to be although, in the case of the UK they are always (life peers) except in the case of Mendelson who was not an MP and still a layman when appointed Secretary of State for International Development but was made a life peer almost immediately after his appointment.

[swaledale]

Of course it doesn’t, Andy...it’s a simple ballot paper. You will though, I’m sure, remember all the talk of an ‘orderly and well managed exit’, and the desire for continued tariff free trading etc.
That and everything else I referred to earlier today will not be possible in a ‘no deal’ scenario.

Save your breath Anag, no amount of evidence or facts will dislodge the faithful that Brexit means a brave new dawn! Its the way of politics today, don't bother with facts or truth, just blather on in a way that the simple faithful like and hey ho they swallow any old *******s as long as it chimes with their views.

As for any one taking any notice of the Forest Fan on here, well that proves my point, seeing as most of his so called facts come from media sources that have been shown over and over again to be at most only distantly tainted by any facts. And now we have as Prime Minister a guy who made money from articles on the EU which he himself admits were pure fiction, stuff he had made up because it suited the media organisation he worked for and of course was lapped up by the idiots who read said media!

Its ironic thats there is much wailing about the unelected EU running things and then wailing equally loudly about elected MP's doing what they are elected for!

Of course such idiots only moan about unelected people doing stuff, if they disagree with it. Its so funny and so laughable its pure entertainment reading the piffle posted on here by many posters who don't have a ****ing clue what they are talking about - stick to football guys, at least there your opinions are valid!

[AngryRam]

Christ on a bike.. Sadler and Waldorf on a **** fest.

[Andy_Faber]

Of course it doesn’t, Andy...it’s a simple ballot paper. You will though, I’m sure, remember all the talk of an ‘orderly and well managed exit’, and the desire for continued tariff free trading etc.
That and everything else I referred to earlier today will not be possible in a ‘no deal’ scenario.

I actually ignored all the bull**** from both sides and a small part of my decision to vote Remain was precisely because I assumed we'd pretty much just cut the cord. If I'd been confident there would be a deal (limiting, lets say, further political integration and uncontrolled immigration) I would have voted Leave

[Geoff Parkstone]

Christ on a bike.. Sadler and Waldorf on a **** fest.

Statler I believe, both being named after NYC hotels. If the programme was made today they would be called Pennsylvania and Anbang. Just thought I'd mention it.

[ramAnag]

I actually ignored all the bull**** from both sides and a small part of my decision to vote Remain was precisely because I assumed we'd pretty much just cut the cord. If I'd been confident there would be a deal (limiting, lets say, further political integration and uncontrolled immigration) I would have voted Leave

Isn’t that what we all feel at every ‘election’, Andy? We look at what we like and dislike from each manifesto and vote for the Party we have the most ‘matches’ with.
Where the Referendum was concerned if you would have voted Leave, on the basis of your objections to closer ‘political integration’ and ‘uncontrolled immigration’, but ultimately didn’t there must have been some other very big reasons for not doing so.

One assumes then that the reasons you voted ‘Remain’ were most likely based around such aspects as trade, economics, national security etc.

For what it’s worth and as you know, I can understand some of your reservations about the EU. I do doubt however that anything that has happened over the last thirty eight months would have changed your mind over the trade and economic implications of leaving.

At the end of the day, in any Referendum or election we are unlikely, imo, to support every aspect of the ‘side’ we put our X next to.
We do what we think is best for ourselves or, better still, our country. To that extent, although I accept the EU is far from perfect, I haven’t changed my mind and continue to believe that, at least in terms of trade, economics and international reputation we have to, in the best interests of our country, try and avoid Brexit, especially a ‘no deal’ version.

[ramAnag]

So...now that the likely consequences of a ‘no deal’ Brexit have been revealed by the leaking of Operation Yellowhammer can we now abandon the term ‘Project Fear’?
I know some of the ‘Leavers’ on here treat anything written by the Guardian, the BBC or, for that matter Swale or I, with something between mistrust and contempt but the OY suggestions originated via the Civil Contingencies Secretariat and COBRA.
Perhaps now some may take more notice of the uncomfortable future that awaits us and recognise that such warnings are not synonymous with those unreasonably branded as ‘extreme’ or ‘hard left’.

[Trickytreesreds]

Ok RA, I'm going to try and give you a sensible and calm response to that.

Hypothetical. - A meteor could strike the earth at any time. This is fact what do we do?
Best case scenario, its a basket ball size one, that would flatten a house.
Worst case scenario, it's the size of Everest and a planet killer.

Ok, we plan as well as we can to cover all things that may happen.

Plan A- is emergency treatment and more damage response.

Plan z - planet evacuation or a deep bunker for a select few.

Ok, go ahead and give me the paper work.

Hammond and his cronies in the civil service, leak out that a rock the size of Gibraltar is being planned for and it's going to hurt.
Nothing else, just a rock the size of Gibraltar.

You don't seemed concerned as to -
a. how a COBRA style document can get released to the press
b. who did it.
c. how much of it is all the truth of what is happening.

Several people have said that very thing, it should be planned for and if it wasn't. People like you would be squealing like a piglet that the government has bought doomsday on us.
This all stems from a photograph of some papers and a few words being readable.

Sorry, project fear in over drive again.
No one is saying it won't be without problems, but sod em now.
The resolve to get out is stronger than ever for me.

[AngryRam]

Several people have said that very thing, it should be planned for and if it wasn't. People like you would be squealing like a piglet that the government has bought doomsday on us.
This all stems from a photograph of some papers and a few words being readable.

Sorry, project fear in over drive again.
No one is saying it won't be without problems, but sod em now.
The resolve to get out is stronger than ever for me.

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
Contingency planning for everything. Non-story.

[ramAnag]

Ah...okay. Just thought I’d mention it.

You two clearly know so much more than everyone else...but so long as shortages of fresh food, shortages of fuel, shortages of medicine, civil unrest, higher prices and paralysed ports are not what a no-deal Brexit is likely to lead to and are just part of all our imaginations that’s alright then.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Ah...okay. Just thought I’d mention it.

You two clearly know so much more than everyone else...but so long as shortages of fresh food, shortages of fuel, shortages of medicine, civil unrest, higher prices and paralysed ports are not what a no-deal Brexit is likely to lead to and are just part of all our imaginations that’s alright then.

It may have the long term benefit of reducing the burden on the NHS by killing off people who might otherwise be a burden on resources, although short term there may be a spike in activity.

[AngryRam]

It may have the long term benefit of reducing the burden on the NHS by killing off people who might otherwise be a burden on resources, although short term there may be a spike in activity.

Can I start the list off?

[AdiSalisbury]

A little bit of bread and no cheese?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Ach you and your yellowhammer jokes Adi