OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Yet you'd consider voting for Corbyn?

The comparison between Corbyn - decent man, good MP but ineffective leader promoted beyond his ability imo - and Pol Pot escapes me GP and I’m doing more than ‘considering’ voting for him.
It’s almost certain that I’ll vote Labour but it has more to do with the local candidate and the fact that, where I live, the likeliest (still unlikely) way of defeating what Johnson’s Tory Party stands for is to vote Labour.

I voted Liberal in the local elections last Spring...it proved a wasted vote.

[AdiSalisbury]

Well let's see what crap he comes out with today then. Free kittens for all I expect.

[Trickytreesreds]

Decent man?
Is this the same guy who calls IRA terrorists freedom fighters?
Yet the British squaddie is a murderer?
Will have lunch with HAMAS and Hezbollah, but refuses tea with the queen?

I think some folks definition of decent is off the scale of moralistic to most.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well let's see what crap he comes out with today then. Free kittens for all I expect.

Presumably this would go some way to help feed the homeless. Kitten on a stick....?

[mistaram]

Assuming you’re asking me for clarification and ignoring the fact that you are leading the discussion off into the murky world of semantics, I suppose A equals those who have a surfeit of wealth and B equals those who are in most serious need.

To that extent it’s a question of the redistribution of wealth...a controversial issue which I assume, professionally speaking, you may be fundamentally opposed to.

Is there not something seriously wrong with a World where a proportion lives in the lap of luxury while others starve, where relatively ordinary footballers earn more in a week than essential public sector workers earn in three or four years, where bankers continue to earn ‘fat cat’ salaries having been bailed out a decade ago by the taxpayer and where wealth is perpetuated by those with the most benefiting from the greatest educational, social and medical advantages while those with the least continue to struggle?

So who defines A and B? Well common sense and common decency, but of course the power to change things resides with those who will be most resistant to it and who will probably deride the above sentiments as ‘communist’.

RA that's a great post you have said everything I like to hear What a greedy money grabbing society we have become

[ramAnag]

Decent man?
Is this the same guy who calls IRA terrorists freedom fighters?
Yet the British squaddie is a murderer?
Will have lunch with HAMAS and Hezbollah, but refuses tea with the queen?

I think some folks definition of decent is off the scale of moralistic to most.

Tricky...in the grown up world there were some ‘squaddies’ - probably a small minority - who did bad things. Is it wrong that they should be held to account?
There are bad policeman, bad doctors, bad teachers and likewise, bad servicemen. The fact that the majority earn our respect and sympathy doesn’t mean that those who do wrong shouldn’t be held responsible for their actions regardless of their profession...well not in my opinion anyway.

Clinton, Blair and Trimble were amongst others who also met with Sinn Féin...does that make them terrorist sympathisers too?

[AdiSalisbury]

Ahhh, scrapping Uni tuition fees, that old chestnut! Well write off my student debt Mr Corbyn and that will be lovely.
Free bus travel for the under 25's, and reinstating thousands of routes. Presume my council tax will cover that?
Skipping to the work section...
Introducing collective bargaining, lining the pockets of their union backers and damaging employee engagement.
Reducing the average full time working week to 32 hours without loss of pay - look forward to regular redundancy risk.
Close the gender pay gap in 10 years, have they even read what is actually is???
Longer paid maternity leave (3 months), I'm sure small businesses will be grateful for that additional cost.

I can't read anymore, it's making me angry. If you want to destroy UK industry, vote Labour.

Official Manifesto

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky...in the grown up world there were some ‘squaddies’ - probably a small minority - who did bad things. Is it wrong that they should be held to account?
There are bad policeman, bad doctors, bad teachers and likewise, bad servicemen. The fact that the majority earn our respect and sympathy doesn’t mean that those who do wrong shouldn’t be held responsible for their actions regardless of their profession...well not in my opinion anyway.

Clinton, Blair and Trimble were amongst others who also met with Sinn Féin...does that make them terrorist sympathisers too?

RA you have evaded most of what I said there.

Corbyn wants to be this countrys leader.
Yet he feels it appropriate to slaughter the British Services as much as he does. He has openly called for prosecution of British personnel with un founded eveidence. Perhaps you remember his support for Phil Shiner, who was bribing Arabs to put in false accusations? These troops were hounded to the limits. Some to the suicide.
So please don't give me the Brits are monsters speech, that is what him and McDonnall do.

Yet 5 times Corbyn has been asked to condemn IRA terror. He's refused.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/the-three-lies-that-jeremy-corbyn-told-andrew-neil/

There is a diffeence between meeting someone, and taking part in rallies/attending paramilitary funerals/ heaping praise of muderers.
Or maybe you are of the same ilk?

A leader of this country, so blatently biased against its own forces? You have to be having a laugh?
The man is an affront to this country from a leadership perspective.

Unless you are as loopy as him and his group, you are the enemy.
If he gets in, we'll see if GP's warnings to you on your lifestyle come true.
You may not be super rich, but you are fair game the way this lot are taliking. Anything (including your house) over 115k is going to get taxed to the hilt.
For a Liberal, you are the enemy.

The mans a clown, everything is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Yearh, I've heard that before. I know where it leads as well

[Trickytreesreds]

Ahhh, scrapping Uni tuition fees, that old chestnut! Well write off my student debt Mr Corbyn and that will be lovely.
Free bus travel for the under 25's, and reinstating thousands of routes. Presume my council tax will cover that?
Skipping to the work section...
Introducing collective bargaining, lining the pockets of their union backers and damaging employee engagement.
Reducing the average full time working week to 32 hours without loss of pay - look forward to regular redundancy risk.
Close the gender pay gap in 10 years, have they even read what is actually is???
Longer paid maternity leave (3 months), I'm sure small businesses will be grateful for that additional cost.

I can't read anymore, it's making me angry. If you want to destroy UK industry, vote Labour.

Official Manifesto

Come Adi, everything is freee

What's not to like.
It isn't a magic money tree, it's a Forest (SORRY)

[AdiSalisbury]

Sorry Tricky, but empty homes will be refilled, the pity ground will be re-homing the masses of people who've lost their jobs through these retarded policies.

[mistaram]

Come Adi, everything is freee

What's not to like.
It isn't a magic money tree, it's a Forest (SORRY)

Yes it was free when it came to bribing the DUPto keep in power Bet that came of the money tree

[ramAnag]

RA you have evaded most of what I said there.

Corbyn wants to be this countrys leader.
Yet he feels it appropriate to slaughter the British Services as much as he does. He has openly called for prosecution of British personnel with un founded eveidence. Perhaps you remember his support for Phil Shiner, who was bribing Arabs to put in false accusations? These troops were hounded to the limits. Some to the suicide.
So please don't give me the Brits are monsters speech, that is what him and McDonnall do.

Yet 5 times Corbyn has been asked to condemn IRA terror. He's refused.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/the-three-lies-that-jeremy-corbyn-told-andrew-neil/

There is a diffeence between meeting someone, and taking part in rallies/attending paramilitary funerals/ heaping praise of muderers.
Or maybe you are of the same ilk?

A leader of this country, so blatently biased against its own forces? You have to be having a laugh?
The man is an affront to this country from a leadership perspective.

Unless you are as loopy as him and his group, you are the enemy.
If he gets in, we'll see if GP's warnings to you on your lifestyle come true.
You may not be super rich, but you are fair game the way this lot are taliking. Anything (including your house) over 115k is going to get taxed to the hilt.
For a Liberal, you are the enemy.

The mans a clown, everything is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Yearh, I've heard that before. I know where it leads as well

I didn’t actually evade anything you said in your original post and neither am I acting as a spokesperson for Corbyn.
You however did totally evade my direct questions about whether anyone who converses with ‘terrorists’ - or those perceived to be ‘terrorists’ (remember Nelson Mandela?) - can be labelled as a ‘sympathiser’ and whether wrongdoers within the armed services deserve to be punished.

Either way you’re doing what you always do, behaving exactly as you wrongly accuse others of and taking us off topic and away from a discussion you aren’t comfortable with, by seeking to demonise a politician you openly despise.

Not sure why you constantly want to label me as a Liberal, Communist, Snowflake...whatever it is this week.
My views are slightly to the left of centre, I am unaligned to any political party and would be happy to see the replacement of all three major party leaders.
My vote will be an anti Johnson and anti Brexit one but pro change and pro a second referendum. My hope remains that this election ends with a coalition of sensible centre left politicians but I fear that, like the 2016 Referendum, the result will go the way of those with
the lowest regard for - and greatest ability to manipulate - the truth.

[AdiSalisbury]

Genuine question - As a business owner Mista, how would you cope with losing a day per week from each employee? Lets say you have 500 staff, over 52 weeks a year, that's 26,000 days of productivity, for the same salary outlay. Lets say you pay each of those staff the real living wage (now £9.30ph outside London), so 8 hours a day, works out at over £1.93 million per year.

How's your pocket feel?

[mistaram]

Sorry Tricky, but empty homes will be refilled, the pity ground will be re-homing the masses of people who've lost their jobs through these retarded policies.

Ask glad you mentioned empty homes because they are like empty Tory bribes
2015 Tory manifesto Cameron trying to get the vote of the under40s Promises tens of thousands of be "starter homes " Whitehall announces more than 2billion has been allocated to 200,000 homes in England to be sold exclusively to first time buyers under the age of 40 Although the Spending Reveiw body are aside £2.3billion to support the first 60,000. The National Audit office are saying to date not ONE starter home has been built

Never trust a Tory they will say or do anything to stay in power

[AdiSalisbury]

Ask glad you mentioned empty homes because they are like empty Tory bribes
2015 Tory manifesto Cameron trying to get the vote of the under40s Promises tens of thousands of be "starter homes " Whitehall announces more than 2billion has been allocated to 200,000 homes in England to be sold exclusively to first time buyers under the age of 40 Although the Spending Reveiw body are aside £2.3billion to support the first 60,000. The National Audit office are saying to date not ONE starter home has been built

Never trust a Tory they will say or do anything to stay in power

Interesting, because I'm 35 and am going through the process of buying my 1st home under the help to buy scheme.