OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

Like it MoP think we've just three years of that

Seen a similar joke doing the rounds for years, nicely adapted and a lol from me

[Andy_Faber]

If that means a fairer and more egalitarian society, far fewer on zero hours contracts and dependent on food banks along with greater investment in public services then yep...guilty as charged.

A lot will depend now on which Johnson turns up as PM. If it’s the one who fancies himself as a ‘one nation Tory’ unifier then let’s give him a chance. If it’s the ERG driven, narcissistic Churchill wannabe then heaven help us.

He's passed test 1 by at least admitting that there are millions of 'reluctant tories' out there, not sure how effective this tour of Northern seats will be, he and the Conservatives need to keep on delivering non-stop for five years and beyond. Labour are helping him in the early running by pretty much being in denial about defeat - some of the interviews I've seen have been embarrassing, the interviewee in one basically squealing 'its not fair!' Such a small opposition has got to be pin-sharp to hold the Government to account and they are a rabble at the moment.

RA I think your long-standing wish for the demise of the ERG will ironically be delivered by the sheer size of the result, all opposition PLUS ERG is less MPs than the less extreme Conservatives

[ramAnag]

‘I think your long standing wish for the demise of the ERG will ironically be delivered by the sheer size of the result.’

You’re not alone in that thought and I really, really hope you’re right.

Tbf McDonnell accepted responsibility pretty well on Marr this morning. I haven’t heard the ‘it’s not fair’ squealers. Sure there are some and the size of the majority is disproportionate to the increase in the Tory vote but that’s how it’ll be till the voting system changes and that’s probably been just as ‘unfair’ on others in the past.

Good to see you back anyway...rumours of your disappearance appear to have been exaggerated.

[Andy_Faber]

‘I think your long standing wish for the demise of the ERG will ironically be delivered by the sheer size of the result.’

You’re not alone in that thought and I really, really hope you’re right.

Tbf McDonnell accepted responsibility pretty well on Marr this morning. I haven’t heard the ‘it’s not fair’ squealers. Sure there are some and the size of the majority is disproportionate to the increase in the Tory vote but that’s how it’ll be till the voting system changes and that’s probably been just as ‘unfair’ on others in the past.

Good to see you back anyway...rumours of your disappearance appear to have been exaggerated.

I know we've been at odds on stuff but the ERG and especially JRM were / are an embarrassment, I could never commit to a bloke who probably still has his chimneys cleaned by small boys

My absence has been just due to having a lot on, plus I didn't see there was much I could add on this thread. Just been watching out for trolls etc

[Andy_Faber]

I haven’t heard the ‘it’s not fair’ squealers.

There have been a number on R4 and R5L and an easier one to find (more simply in denial than 'its not fair') was a losing candidate on friday's newsnight. I notice also that Emily Thornbury has stuck her foot in her not inconsiderable mouth by describing ex-labour deserting voters as 'stupid'. Coached by Swale?

[Geoff Parkstone]

And so to the labour leadership issue. Seems Corbyn now, wants to hang on until 31-03. At this rate he will withdraw his resignation!

So we have many women stepping forward including Rebecca "Corbyn without a Beard" Long-Bailey, the preferred choice of Momentum.

Seems like some people never learn

[ramAnag]

And so to the labour leadership issue. Seems Corbyn now, wants to hang on until 31-03. At this rate he will withdraw his resignation!

So we have many women stepping forward including Rebecca "Corbyn without a Beard" Long-Bailey, the preferred choice of Momentum.

Seems like some people never learn

Long-Bailey appears to be the current leadership’s candidate of choice, but if ‘Becky’ - as McDonnell refers to her - is chosen that will, for me, be the final nail in the Labour coffin.
She does indeed appear to me to be Corbyn Mk II and equally unelectable.
There are some very good and principled people within the Labour Party...I suspect they may have to form a new Party if lessons aren’t learned quickly and the £3 membership continues it’s, at best ‘adventurist’ and at worst, totally malicious work.

Starmer or Nandy for me, but there are others. Don’t subscribe to the idea that it ‘should’ be a woman. It should just be the best candidate imo.

[MadAmster]

First of all, I had a dream last night. I was watching BBC Breakfast and they suddenly stopped with the script and announce "Breaking News", Diane Abbott had announced her resignation. Where that came from, I have no idea. I remember being surprised at the news in my dream as she seems well loved by her constituents (33K majority).

Gareth Snell who lost his seat in Stoke conceded defeat within an hour of the polls closing, way before the result was announced. Interviewed on the beeb prior to the result being known he said that he knew he had lost. When asked if he thought it was Jeremy Corbyn who had led to his probable downfall, his answer was one word YES! Corbyn has to go. The press have done their job very well over the past God knows how many years convincing people that he is a terrorist in sheep's clothing and they have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Labour also did not help themselves. Their manifesto read beautifully for the most part and the only question that had to be asked was which bits you don't like. Two things stood out. The "dodging the bullet" stance on Brexit and the apparent loosening (or even ditching if you believe the red tops) of immigration controls. Those are, IMO, the 2 things that from the manifesto that shot the party in the foot. Statements from the past on things like the Falklands and Trident are also still in people's minds and didn't help them. The other major reason was that there were too many "goodies" in the manifesto and people had the forethought to come to the conclusion that it all sounded very nice to have but.......... it was always going to cost more than was sensible financially for two Parliamentary terms never mind just the one.

Labout has to change tack if it is to be a credible alternative to the Tories IMO. I also think that Momentum has too strong a hold on the party for that to happen. Unless something happens to wrest control back into "mainstream Labour" the Tories will be celebrating success for several elections to come.

[Trickytreesreds]

Wrong Daily is Corbyns protege. A mini me in a skirt.
To select this blinkered dope, will just condemn Labour to the gutter and confirm to me that the party has not got a ****ing clue what the average person wants.

Corbynism is dead. They either accept that or die a death.
Personally, they won't change. Corbyn/momentum/unions have waited a long time to get a strangle hold on Labour.
It's either winning on their terms or nothing.
Closed shop/club now. Time to break it up with a new party.
Corbyns group will become a bit party, if the hard core Labour voter had an alternative.

[AdiSalisbury]

Whilst there is an echo chamber within the Momentum, they will continue on the same path, because they truly believe that they are in the majority. Maybe they'll brainwash enough youngsters to one day realize that dream.

[Trickytreesreds]

Lmao @ watching this. I had flashbacks to a few in here. Do some have other jobs I never realised?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcuoEVcsLcs&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR39rNRC7jTGA60T2REhpCu_pNjz6c0vR_CNAp85IQcI8I8Pf2DzEd81x_o

[Andy_Faber]

Long-Bailey appears to be the current leadership’s candidate of choice, but if ‘Becky’ - as McDonnell refers to her - is chosen that will, for me, be the final nail in the Labour coffin.
She does indeed appear to me to be Corbyn Mk II and equally unelectable.
There are some very good and principled people within the Labour Party...I suspect they may have to form a new Party if lessons aren’t learned quickly and the £3 membership continues it’s, at best ‘adventurist’ and at worst, totally malicious work.

Starmer or Nandy for me, but there are others. Don’t subscribe to the idea that it ‘should’ be a woman. It should just be the best candidate imo.

Four times in the last 48 hours I’ve heard the awkward/unusual phrase ‘she/he’ rather than he/she used by Labour seniors in relation to the leadership issue. More PC gone mad or a subliminal message to the members?

I hope long bailey is chosen, she’s a laugh and a half, Keir Starmer is way too capable to stand a chance IMO

[macstheman]

No chance of a breakaway party, remember the Social Democrats or whatever they were called, 2 MP's elected this time!!
No, it's Momentum's way until we are all 'educated' and become sufficiently brainwashed that we obey our Dalek masters and put an X against Communist sorry Labour!! The

[Geoff Parkstone]

Lmao @ watching this. I had flashbacks to a few in here. Do some have other jobs I never realised?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcuo...I8Pf2DzEd81x_o

Is the bloke at 5 mins 45 talking about Swale?

[Trickytreesreds]

Is the bloke at 5 mins 45 talking about Swale?