OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Trouble in paradise?

https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/09/poland-paris-berlin-call-on-warsaw-to-respect-eu-law-as-budapest-welcomes-nuclear-ruling

[MadAmster]

Trouble in paradise?

https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/09/...nuclear-ruling

Will they leave or will they be pushed? No great surprise that the one country praising/backing the Polish decision is Hungary, another country more than happy to milk the system as long as they can carry on their own brand of business as usual.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Will they leave or will they be pushed? No great surprise that the one country praising/backing the Polish decision is Hungary, another country more than happy to milk the system as long as they can carry on their own brand of business as usual.

They had a great tutor and role model in France, who have set the mark in milking the system for the past 60 odd years

[ramAnag]

They had a great tutor and role model in France, who have set the mark in milking the system for the past 60 odd years

How exactly? Genuine question.

[Trickytreesreds]

How exactly? Genuine question.

Look no further than the common fisheries and agriculture policies.

Both weighted heavily in Frances favour. Suited Germany as it's industries don't revolve around them.

Fishing policies has given them richer waters than they previously had. But the Agricultural policy was written in stone in the early days, to suit French farmers. Protectionist market/ heavily subsidised.

My ex MD, has a property in the Pyranees.
He told us many a tale, of his Farmer neighbours, getting a new tractor every year, otherwise they lost the money. Also paid a fortune, for letting fields sit empty, laughing their tits off.

Hardly fair to accuse Poland/Hungary of milking it, when its been going on for decades.

[ramAnag]

Look no further than the common fisheries and agriculture policies.

Both weighted heavily in Frances favour. Suited Germany as it's industries don't revolve around them.

Fishing policies has given them richer waters than they previously had. But the Agricultural policy was written in stone in the early days, to suit French farmers. Protectionist market/ heavily subsidised.

My ex MD, has a property in the Pyranees.
He told us many a tale, of his Farmer neighbours, getting a new tractor every year, otherwise they lost the money. Also paid a fortune, for letting fields sit empty, laughing their tits off.

Hardly fair to accuse Poland/Hungary of milking it, when its been going on for decades.

Yep...you and the Brexiteers have been very good at telling ‘tales’ and I haven’t mentioned ‘Poland/Hungary’, I simply - and genuinely - asked GP to qualify his statement.

[Trickytreesreds]

Yep...you and the Brexiteers have been very good at telling ‘tales’ and I haven’t mentioned ‘Poland/Hungary’, I simply - and genuinely - asked GP to qualify his statement.

Jesus wept, I never said you did. It was Maddy who brought up Hungary on top of Poland and GP, quite rightly pointed out the hypocrisy of the EU trying to batter them into submission.

You make me piss RA, you don't want quotes, as they are biased. You demand your "own words" in a reply. Then dismiis them as Brexiteer talk and telling tales.
Give your head a wobble.

No comment on the examples given then, such as the Agriculture policy not being relevent?

[ramAnag]

Jesus wept, I never said you did. It was Maddy who brought up Hungary on top of Poland and GP, quite rightly pointed out the hypocrisy of the EU trying to batter them into submission.

You make me piss RA, you don't want quotes, as they are biased. You demand your "own words" in a reply. Then dismiis them as Brexiteer talk and telling tales.
Give your head a wobble.

No comment on the examples given then, such as the Agriculture policy not being relevent?

You replied specifically to me and mentioned Hungary and Poland which I had said nothing about.

I have never said I don’t want ‘quotes’...I have said I have no interest in biased quotes or reproduced biased articles both of which you specialise in.

The vast majority of the Brexit campaign was based on ‘tales’, or lies if you prefer, as becomes a little more apparent every day.

Tbh I don’t know how much the agricultural policy favours the French above ourselves and I very much doubt that you do.
Never mind though, some of those foreign workers will be back soon, hopefully. You know, the ones you and Farage wanted rid of...but who apparently we struggle to function without.

[Geoff Parkstone]

How exactly? Genuine question.

Tricky essentially makes my point. The French designed the CAP to suit their needs and have abused it for years to the betterment of their agriculture over the common good.

But it doesn't matter as you probably won't believe me 😘

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky essentially makes my point. The French designed the CAP to suit their needs and have abused it for years to the betterment of their agriculture over the common good.

But it doesn't matter as you probably won't believe me ��

It's funny how he looks confused and asks for proof and explanations of misdemeaners.
Yet refuses to believe any presented and merely dismisses them as lies.
If you really don't know the CAP RA, then I suggest you butt out now.
It was rigged before the EU came to be what it is today. Thatcher knew and negotiated our rebate because of it.
Then that rebate was tossed away by Labour.
Do some homework.

[Andy_Faber]

rA, despite TTR's tone he is sort of correct. Our original access deal into the EEC was disadvantageous to UK (and advantageous to France although that may have been incidental) due to our mix of industries and strong trade with non-EEC (mostly commonwealth) countries. It was this unfairness that Margaret Thatcher negotiated away with the famous 'rebate' we learned so much about in the months pre-Brexit vote. Ironically given Remoaners' gripe about insufficient/unclear/untrue information about the cost of leaving EU, if the public had known about the unfairness of the original access deal we may not have joined EEC in the first place, who knows

Labour didn't exactly 'toss away' the rebate, but did decline some or all of it for a long period as a contribution to EU expansion, again ironically to allow into EU the very countries who's uncontrolled immigrant constituents worked up Swales' Idiots to vote us out

So I guess its Tony Blair's fault

[Trickytreesreds]

rA, despite TTR's tone he is sort of correct. Our original access deal into the EEC was disadvantageous to UK (and advantageous to France although that may have been incidental) due to our mix of industries and strong trade with non-EEC (mostly commonwealth) countries. It was this unfairness that Margaret Thatcher negotiated away with the famous 'rebate' we learned so much about in the months pre-Brexit vote. Ironically given Remoaners' gripe about insufficient/unclear/untrue information about the cost of leaving EU, if the public had known about the unfairness of the original access deal we may not have joined EEC in the first place, who knows

Labour didn't exactly 'toss away' the rebate, but did decline some or all of it for a long period as a contribution to EU expansion, again ironically to allow into EU the very countries who's uncontrolled immigrant constituents worked up Swales' Idiots to vote us out

So I guess its Tony Blair's fault

Also, Brown as well, he failed. Blair did it, thinking he was worming his way into EU hearts.
He wasn't, got bum ***ed and Brown got a good hiding for trying to undo it.

https://www.politics.co.uk/news/2007/04/04/brown-caves-in-over-uk-rebate/

[MadAmster]

Tricky essentially makes my point. The French designed the CAP to suit their needs and have abused it for years to the betterment of their agriculture over the common good.

But it doesn't matter as you probably won't believe me 😘

Brings me back to my everlasting view of the EU that it is run by the French and Germans for the betterment of the French and the Germans.

The CAP enables French farmers to ignore the need for diversity. Refuse to invest to get up to date on technology. Happy to farm, those that do still farm at any rate. The rest are quite happy to sit back, do nothing, leave their land fallow and suck up millions in EU subsidies for doing absolutely nowt.

The same is true of the CFP. French fishermen are, like their farmer counterparts, stuck in the past and refuse to update their fleets. The Dutch came up with the idea of pulse fishing which ensures (not sure how it works but it does) that they only catch fish they are allowed to in both species and size. This made their boats ultra efficient, the pulses get the fish off the bottom and so the fishing doesn't damage the sea floor and is good for fish stocks as it gives the smaller fish the chance to breed and grow until they too are the right size for catching. The French didn't want to invest in the new technology so they got their government to complain and got pulse fishing banned. That put all of the Dutch innovative boats out of commission and made some of the owners bankrupt.

[ramAnag]

Tricky...on this particular aspect of our relationship with the EU I’ll listen to GP on the basis that he has an agricultural background and a better understanding of finance than me. He’s also become increasingly pro Johnson and anti EU so when I listen I also take that on board.
I’m not sure that the same is true of you and I’m only likely to defer to you on matters relating to engineering, being a prison officer, Forest and the attractions of Thailand...your four areas of relative expertise.
Your stance is invariably one of hostility towards anything pro EU or remotely left of centre so I take little notice of your other rants.
I’m not sure how one can ‘look confused’ on a written forum...but asking for explanation/clarification of GP’s assertion in post #7803 - which is all I did before you leapt in - doesn’t seem unreasonable...and I will listen, GP.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky...on this particular aspect of our relationship with the EU I’ll listen to GP on the basis that he has an agricultural background and a better understanding of finance than me. He’s also become increasingly pro Johnson and anti EU so when I listen I also take that on board.
I’m not sure that the same is true of you and I’m only likely to defer to you on matters relating to engineering, being a prison officer, Forest and the attractions of Thailand...your four areas of relative expertise.
Your stance is invariably one of hostility towards anything pro EU or remotely left of centre so I take little notice of your other rants.
I’m not sure how one can ‘look confused’ on a written forum...but asking for explanation/clarification of GP’s assertion in post #7803 - which is all I did before you leapt in - doesn’t seem unreasonable...and I will listen, GP.

RA , you would make a very good current MP. You only want to listen to opinions that agree with yours. Hence the Guardian/BBC attitude.
It alarms me, that a man of your education, with over 1o years more life experiance than me, fails to grasp the injustice of the CAP.
you shouldn't even have to be told about it by anyone.
It has been banging about since the 70's, when Thatcher lost her rag and then negotiated a rebate for balance.
Nothing has changed and the French attitude as Maddy is pointing out, is that it won't.
From blocking ports, to burning lorries, the French and their partizan attitude to fairness has never gone away. Macron is the current torch barer.
My attitude to the EU is a classic realisation of what things like this represent.
You don't have to be an engineer/civil servant/rocket scientist to realise this.

So what the hell being a Forest fan/ having a property in Thailand/ working in the prison system(not an officer btw) has to do with my opinion on the facts is farcical in your response.

You see the EU as all dancing/wonderland of benefits. It isn't and never was. As Maddy is pointing out. It was and still is weighted heavily in favour of France and Germany. But the rest of us paid good money towards it.
Even you don''t need GP to tell you that, or does he spoon feed you as well?