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AnagRam, do you really think 'joined up' whatever will work? Joined up army? Joined up Union? Joined up currency? Joined up police?
Joined up anything is part of the problem. That IS why some of us are worried abut where Europe will go.. What about tomorrow?
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Go on then, I'll play before you throw the race card into the ring,Originally posted by ramAnag View Post
Here you go, bit of light watching for you. Different opinions throughout Europe how EU policy has changed here and abroad.
You may not like watching it, but it is happening. It is HAPPENING ON PURPOSE- "FOR THE PLAN"
Coudenhove Kalergi plan. Google it.Comment
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Tricky...I genuinely don't know what to say. I ask for an example or two of how our heritage is being stripped on a daily basis by the activities of the EU and get a thesis on immigration from all parts of the World and how it's all part of some Zionist conspiracy.
I'm not going to 'throw the race card into the ring' as you put it...I'm just stunned...you certainly seem very heavily committed to some sort of agenda but it's becoming increasingly peculiar.
Angry...you forgot joined up thought. We already have joined up forces, it's called NATO. Joined up police...Interpol...we've managed to avoid the joined up currency...and yes I do think a joined up Union is a good thing...I think we're, to coin a phrase, 'stronger together' and watching the news tonight...we certainly need to be.Comment
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For all those doomsday merchants following the Brexit decision, please note:
Last week the S&P 500 reached a record high, finally overtaking the peak it had reached in 2014. It ended the week up 1.3%. Since its low point during the financial crisis in January 2009, the index has almost tripled in value, even as global growth has disappointed and interest rates have remained close to the floor – a reminder of why stocks remain such a wise investment over the long haul.Comment
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[QUOTE=roger_ramjet;38201884]For all those doomsday merchants following the Brexit decision, please note:
Last week the S&P 500 reached a record high, finally overtaking the peak it had reached in 2014. It ended the week up 1.3%. Since its low point during the financial crisis in January 2009, the index has almost tripled in value, even as global growth has disappointed and interest rates have remained close to the floor – a reminder of why stocks remain such a wise investment over the long haul.[/QUOTE
In fact, last week the FTSE 100 entered bull market territory, having risen more than 20% since its February low.
This added as seperate post as system timed me out of editting last post after 5 minutes. Utter *******sComment
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We shall see Roger. The first legal challenge to Brexit begins today which, if successful, will, I believe, mean that Article 50 cannot be invoked without further Parliamentary approval. Interesting times.Comment
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Sorry Mangara I hope not. I voted remain (but against my heart) and now I find all this just unacceptable. A result is a result, continued prevarication does noone any good. Instability and uncertainty are the enemies of the markets and we need them to settle down for a while.
The people voted out (and I hear what you say about 37%) in accordance with the set rules of the referendum. Its time we got on with it for good or bad. If the Scotch want to leave the Union to join another Union, so be it. Adieu Scotland and we will need a work permit for Chris Martin et al.
The more we tit around contemplating our own navels, the more we look stupid and, more importantly, the more we look weak in the eyes of the EU who will gain negotiating advantage from it. The people have spoken - now politicians should get on with it: before they make it worse and exit conditions become more onerous.
Or maybe this is their grand plan - concede the negotiation high ground, negotiate appalling exit arrangements and then go cap in hand saying let us back in.
Stupid days....a parliament trying to deal with the will of the people that the majority in government dont want. An opposition trying to deal with a leader that they dont want but the grassroots do. What a monumental **** up all round.Comment
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I have a fortunate link to one of senior guys in The Bank Of England and the word amongst those fellahs is (and always was, despite their very pro-remain stance) that the worst possible way forward is with further uncertainty. If they could use my stolen phrase 'decision made, now oil up and lets get ****ing' they would, they really don't need flight lieutenant whoever or some deranged ex pat putting the brakes on. In their opinion, not mineOriginally posted by ramAnag View PostComment
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Value your opinion Roger and accept that you have a fuller understanding as far as the economic side of things is concerned. Also seems like Andy is a sensible and well informed fella.
On the other hand, interesting that Tricky - who may imo be misguided but isn't daft - when asked to provide examples about the EU interfering with our traditions and heritage tried to turn the debate into one entirely about immigration. Can't help feeling that's exactly what happened with the referendum itself and, at the end of the day, the result was never more than advisory so, given that the result was so close and only 'won' by 37-% (have I mentioned that?
) would it that bad if the legal boys now conclude that ultimately Parliament still has the final word?
310...wow. Saw Bobby Simpson score 311 once, in my first Test Match.Comment
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Ramanag with respect, the accusation was- "show me how the EU has changed our culture".Originally posted by ramAnag View PostValue your opinion Roger and accept that you have a fuller understanding as far as the economic side of things is concerned. Also seems like Andy is a sensible and well informed fella.
On the other hand, interesting that Tricky - who may imo be misguided but isn't daft - when asked to provide examples about the EU interfering with our traditions and heritage tried to turn the debate into one entirely about immigration. Can't help feeling that's exactly what happened with the referendum itself and, at the end of the day, the result was never more than advisory so, given that the result was so close and only 'won' by 37-% (have I mentioned that?) would it that bad if the legal boys now conclude that ultimately Parliament still has the final word?
310...wow. Saw Bobby Simpson score 311 once, in my first Test Match.
I did, the countries changed unbelievably in 15 years
The videos show this. The EU insists on free movement and Blair was the icing on the cake, with no restrictions on East European poor countries.-
The strongest evidence for conspiracy comes from one of Labour’s own. Andrew Neather, a previously unheard-of speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett, popped up with an article in the Evening Standard in October 2009 which gave the game away.
Immigration, he wrote, ‘didn’t just happen; the deliberate policy of Ministers from late 2000…was to open up the UK to mass immigration’.
He was at the heart of policy in September 2001, drafting the landmark speech by the then Immigration Minister Barbara Roche, and he reported ‘coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn’t its main purpose - to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date’.
Misguided anarchy from both of these arrogant cocks.
Once the door opened, the EU has pushed and insisted on it.Comment
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Yes it would be bad since it would mean that the entire referendum process has been devalued to being nothing more than an opinion poll.Originally posted by ramAnag View Post
and I remember that game just - from snatched pieces of radio commentary. Manchester I believe and Ken Barrington got 250+ in replyComment
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That's about all it's fit for imo. Useless excercise especially with a minority 'victory'.
You're right, Old Trafford...52 years ago next week. How the hell did that happen?
Test matches were very different in those days...all rain coats, trilbies, meat paste sandwiches and respectful clapping. As I remember it Simpson batted for two and a bit days...I arrived with my Dad and he was almost immediately out. Story of my life! Also remember a very young, very nervous, bespectacled Geoffrey Boycott in what must have been one of his earliest Tests.Comment
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Tricky...go back to #282...the question to Ramspride, which he has chosen not to answer, was how is there evidence of us being ruled by Brussels in our 'day to day lives'.
You have chosen to try and hijack the debate to turn it into a discussion of immigration and some 'plot' that a variety of those opposed to immigration regularly drag up. That's your view which you're entitled to but, as with the referendum, that isn't really what this thread or my question are about.Comment
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Sorry, but did you or did you not ask this?Originally posted by ramAnag View Post
You can't pick and chose, what your questions means. I took it quite literally.
Mistakes have been made and there's things I'd change but give me an example - preferably more than one - of how our 'heritage' is being 'stripped' away on a day to day basis by the EU. How have the EU diluted our culture? Where's your evidence?
Sorry that you don't agree with me, but this country has changed drastically due to mass movement.
It may not bother you, that's your prerogative.
But it bothers a great many people in places like Kent and Lincolnshire. That's their prerogative.Comment
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