OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Or Alternatively tell your neighbours what you are going to do and they will pay you extra rent not to do it!

[Trickytreesreds]

TTR: now you've baffled me here. The French, who are still members of the EU and subject to EU rules use container encampments. The UK are not allowed to do the same because of EU rules, despite not being in the EU or bound by their rules.

So if we accept such rules exist, why are they not being enforced in France? Or if we accept they don't exist (by virtue of French conduct) why do we "obey" them?

You appear to suggest that EU rules apply to non member states but not to their own members? Seems to me that the EU is getting blamed for something you just don't like - ie giving refugees top grade accomodation.

Why the confusion?
The rules exist.

1. The lefty judges enact on them to the full, to satisfy the charities who challenge in court
2. Eu rules do not apply to France, as they pick and choose what they want to follow. I thought everyone understood this?

Maybe there is a lesson hidden in that somewhere?

[Andy_Faber]

I thought the two generally accepted most common forms of photo ID were driving licences and passports...even though my driving licence photo is at least 15 years old.

If that isn’t the case I can only foresee a huge reduction in those eligible to vote...on the subject of which...if your assertion that many voted to leave the EU as a ‘protest against non EU immigration’ is true, and I’m not disputing it, then perhaps there should be!

I'm not sure that's consistent with your view that people should have a right to protest. Protests come in many forms

[Trickytreesreds]

Going back to the advert, the other thing that caught my eye as well, was where they were asking for these landlords.

North west England/Midlands/East of England.

The same places that are already holding the most asylum seekers in the country.
The south is avoided of course. But where is Wales/Scotland/N.Ireland on that list?

Something fishy going on thats for sure and I don't mean quotas

[Andy_Faber]

Contribution analytics....

I'm clearly doing well in keeping up my retirement (from accountancy) vow of forgetting as much of it as possible as quickly as possible!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Going back to the advert, the other thing that caught my eye as well, was where they were asking for these landlords.

North west England/Midlands/East of England.

The same places that are already holding the most asylum seekers in the country.
The south is avoided of course. But where is Wales/Scotland/N.Ireland on that list?

Something fishy going on thats for sure and I don't mean quotas

Faced with the prospect of being rehomed in Wales I imagine most refugees or economic illegal migrants (there's a huge difference) would stay in Syria etc.

Hmmm there is a germ of a plan here

To stoke this debate a little further, with Miss Begum now confirmed as stateless what does anyone think (know?) would happen if she braved the channel in a little boat and was picked up in East Kent?

[MadAmster]

As you probably know, my hotel of choice when in Derby is the Aston Court and has been for years. This time round we stayed in the Stuart on London Road. When I booked back in November, the Aston had no twin rooms available which is why we went elsewhere. Since then, the Aston and what used to be the Hallmark Budget, now the Derby Station Hotel are both housing refugees. Didn't look inside the Station Hotel but the Aston Court entrance windows are filthy. Inside there are half a dozen security men who look like bouncers and it's a mess. The staff? All out of a job and I find that a shame as we knew them well having stayed there several times a year over the past 30 years.

[Trickytreesreds]

Faced with the prospect of being rehomed in Wales I imagine most refugees or economic illegal migrants (there's a huge difference) would stay in Syria etc.

Hmmm there is a germ of a plan here

To stoke this debate a little further, with Miss Begum now confirmed as stateless what does anyone think (know?) would happen if she braved the channel in a little boat and was picked up in East Kent?

We'd be stuck with her.
The only place we can deport her to, is possibly Bangladesh.
But she isn't registered as a citizen there yet. She qualifies through her father.
As of now, she is stateless, but would be here and immovable.

[Geoff Parkstone]

As you probably know, my hotel of choice when in Derby is the Aston Court and has been for years. This time round we stayed in the Stuart on London Road. When I booked back in November, the Aston had no twin rooms available which is why we went elsewhere. Since then, the Aston and what used to be the Hallmark Budget, now the Derby Station Hotel are both housing refugees. Didn't look inside the Station Hotel but the Aston Court entrance windows are filthy. Inside there are half a dozen security men who look like bouncers and it's a mess. The staff? All out of a job and I find that a shame as we knew them well having stayed there several times a year over the past 30 years.

I suspect their website is a tad deceptive then

https://www.astoncourthotelderby.com/

Imagine turning up on a whim expecting that, only to find MAs description

[Andy_Faber]

Going back to the advert, the other thing that caught my eye as well, was where they were asking for these landlords.

North west England/Midlands/East of England.

The same places that are already holding the most asylum seekers in the country.
The south is avoided of course. But where is Wales/Scotland/N.Ireland on that list?

Something fishy going on thats for sure and I don't mean quotas

Listen to Radio 4 PM on BBC sounds, 22/03/2022 from 35 mins. the govt policy MAY ruin some seaside resort economies - I can't speak for Skegness as I've only spent an hour there in the past decade, but I CAN speak for Gt Yarmouth which I've visited regularly for 13 years. A previously happy place is now bloody scary to be in beyond the seafront itself, at thats for me a bloke, God knows how it feels for families. Things aren't helped by there being little work for the indigenous population forget a demographic that 'don't present well', don't speak good English etc. Note for those who kick off when Iposts observations like this, I'm lnocking govt policy not immigrants

[Geoff Parkstone]

Listen to Radio 4 PM on BBC sounds, 22/03/2022 from 35 mins. the govt policy MAY ruin some seaside resort economies - I can't speak for Skegness as I've only spent an hour there in the past decade, but I CAN speak for Gt Yarmouth which I've visited regularly for 13 years. A previously happy place is now bloody scary to be in beyond the seafront itself, at thats for me a bloke, God knows how it feels for families. Things aren't helped by there being little work for the indigenous population forget a demographic that 'don't present well', don't speak good English etc. Note for those who kick off when Iposts observations like this, I'm lnocking govt policy not immigrants

So what alternatives are there? I guess you could spread the incomers out over a greater area to dilute their impact on the indigenous population but wherever they go, the vast majority of residents won't want them for the reasons you point out and more. Camps or guesthouses/hotels will all create ghettos by definition. Its like Leicester or Bradford or Luton during the east indian immigration waves of the 60s and 70s, but without the skinheads - yet.

It takes years, if not generations, for new groups of people to become assimilated: but is that a reason not to act with compassion as a nation even if, by and large, as individuals we do not share that aspiration?

[ramAnag]

I'm not sure that's consistent with your view that people should have a right to protest. Protests come in many forms

I’m not sure I remember commenting on the ‘right to protest’, however voting in favour of something on the basis of something else which has absolutely nothing to do with it, is surely just plain stupid and the complete waste of a vote.

[Andy_Faber]

So what alternatives are there? I guess you could spread the incomers out over a greater area to dilute their impact on the indigenous population but wherever they go, the vast majority of residents won't want them for the reasons you point out and more. Camps or guesthouses/hotels will all create ghettos by definition. Its like Leicester or Bradford or Luton during the east indian immigration waves of the 60s and 70s, but without the skinheads - yet.

It takes years, if not generations, for new groups of people to become assimilated: but is that a reason not to act with compassion as a nation even if, by and large, as individuals we do not share that aspiration?

My personal opinion? Spread them as thinly as possible with 'friendly' folk - there are some about, we've had a Syrian refugee staying with us until last week, not a problem with my family or my neighbours.

IMO congregating them in one place is a disastrous policy, and I say that from both viewpoints - I've been an expat in a community of expats (briefly) and it does nothing but build up tensions with the established community

Edit: Just for confirmation, the above is a fact, I'm aware that some here don't believe any of the anecdotes I offer

[Andy_Faber]

I’m not sure I remember commenting on the ‘right to protest’, however voting in favour of something on the basis of something else which has absolutely nothing to do with it, is surely just plain stupid and the complete waste of a vote.

It achieved the same end as your admirable relighting of this thread has done, it 'sparked the debate' as the media put it. You've used this forum as a platform for your opinions, why deny Bert and Harriet from Acacia Avenue from the same?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Because other people's opinions do not accord with the Duprass opinion and therefore must be muzzled or suppressed