OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[SithHappens]

On a Dutch talk show this week, they discussed the effects of 5 years of Brexit and they concluded it hadn't been any kind of success, whatsoever.

They also said that a poll had shown a majority in favour of either rejoining or renegotiating better terms. True? I don't know. I can think of one forum member who will say it's false

They also showed the part of the press conference the day after the vote when Gove and Johnson both said a few words at the lecturn. On the day of what should have been their greatest achievement ever, those 2 eejits who had lied their arses off to persuade folk to vote Leave looked absolutely shell shocked. Beaten. Defeated. They had absolutely no idea what to do. They had had their worst nightmare confirmed. They'd won. The reality was dawning. They had no plan. They had to have one, quickly.

The rest is history.

It's highly speculated Boris expected to lose, and wanted to, it was just his way of appealing to the euro skeptics within the party. His ambition was to be PM when Cameron stood down.

[ramAnag]

Without the committed politicians to push it through, no we don't.

Everyone of them that has been in office has been a turncoat and sabateur

Lol. Nothing to do with it always having been a really sh1t idea then.

[Trickytreesreds]

Lol. Nothing to do with it always having been a really sh1t idea then.

load of crap, its why politicians have been ousted by the electorate for failing to see things through and false electoral promises.
Starmer is about to make a fatal mistake right now.
He sidling up to them , yet already they are demanding fishing/ free movement/ accepting quotas of immigrants?
He's also, just thrown his hat into the ECHR ring? Meanwhile, Germany/Italy.France are ignoring the ECHR and deporting and tightening borders. The mans a complete loon.

BTW you do note reform are surging in the pols don't you?
If the Tories fold or have to amalgamate them, Labour are done. Finito.

[SithHappens]

load of crap, its why politicians have been ousted by the electorate for failing to see things through and false electoral promises.
Starmer is about to make a fatal mistake right now.
He sidling up to them , yet already they are demanding fishing/ free movement/ accepting quotas of immigrants?
He's also, just thrown his hat into the ECHR ring? Meanwhile, Germany/Italy.France are ignoring the ECHR and deporting and tightening borders. The mans a complete loon.

BTW you do note reform are surging in the pols don't you?
If the Tories fold or have to amalgamate them, Labour are done. Finito.

No doubt Reform are performing well in polls. Considering Starmers 'apparent' failure and low ratings, and Reforms 'surge' in the Polls when would you genuinely call for an Election to be held?

[SithHappens]

Off you pop Nigel...

https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-if-brexit-is-a-disaster-ill-go-and-live-abroad/

To be fair he spends more time abroad than in Clacton.

[ramAnag]

load of crap, its why politicians have been ousted by the electorate for failing to see things through and false electoral promises.
Starmer is about to make a fatal mistake right now.
He sidling up to them , yet already they are demanding fishing/ free movement/ accepting quotas of immigrants?
He's also, just thrown his hat into the ECHR ring? Meanwhile, Germany/Italy.France are ignoring the ECHR and deporting and tightening borders. The mans a complete loon.

BTW you do note reform are surging in the pols don't you?
If the Tories fold or have to amalgamate them, Labour are done. Finito.

I’m not sure how important the polls are seven months into a five year term and I think you might have told us before, several times, that Labour are finished and Starmer has made a fatal mistake. Same as you keep insisting that Brexit retains some credibility.

At the moment I’d put money on Badenoch being the first party leader to be replaced btw, but we’ll see.

[swaledale]

I’m not sure how important the polls are seven months into a five year term and I think you might have told us before, several times, that Labour are finished and Starmer has made a fatal mistake. Same as you keep insisting that Brexit retains some credibility.

At the moment I’d put money on Badenoch being the first party leader to be replaced btw, but we’ll see.

That anybody capable of independent thought, would even suggest that Farage (?1 million plus a year grifter) and his billionaire backers are actually interested in improving the lives of the voters they are pitching for is truly laughable. That furthermore our deluded friend is unable to differentiate between the European Court of Human Rights and the EU (hint they are not connected) and furthermore seems to think that the UK acting in accordance with international law and international conventions isn't desirable, just demonstrates how utterly stupid many voters are.

But then we have Trump turning a national tragedy into a political point by claiming it was caused by diversity policies, whilst ignoring the FACT that there was no relaxation in the psychological, intelligence and competency requirements for the Air Traffic Controllers role. This is the kind of **** that's been pumped out and swallowed by ignorant oafs.

But lets be fair, let somebody explain what reform's policies are and what their solutions are to the big issue here, which is that power and money is concentrated with a small number of people who have absolutely no interest in sharing either with the majority of the population of any country.

[MadAmster]

That anybody capable of independent thought, would even suggest that Farage (?1 million plus a year grifter) and his billionaire backers are actually interested in improving the lives of the voters they are pitching for is truly laughable. That furthermore our deluded friend is unable to differentiate between the European Court of Human Rights and the EU (hint they are not connected) and furthermore seems to think that the UK acting in accordance with international law and international conventions isn't desirable, just demonstrates how utterly stupid many voters are.

But then we have Trump turning a national tragedy into a political point by claiming it was caused by diversity policies, whilst ignoring the FACT that there was no relaxation in the psychological, intelligence and competency requirements for the Air Traffic Controllers role. This is the kind of **** that's been pumped out and swallowed by ignorant oafs.

But lets be fair, let somebody explain what reform's policies are and what their solutions are to the big issue here, which is that power and money is concentrated with a small number of people who have absolutely no interest in sharing either with the majority of the population of any country.

A point I've been making for ages. The "1%" first found they could buy favours from a politician. They then found out they can actually buy the politician. Then they decided an even better idea would be to become a politician as then they wouldn't have to pay politicians to get their wishes granted.

Those of a similar train of thought to me see the WEF at the forefront of this and believe Schwab et al should be disconnected from any and all connections to governments and Royal families. I agree with them.

[Andy_Faber]

the fifth anniversary of Brexit passed at the weekend. Maybe we should do a bit of a round robin amongst we few and answer the question ?what actual, quantifiable difference, has Brexit made to you personally??

Anyone?

[MadAmster]

No great issues to me, personally, obviously. Er indoors and the youngest will have to get an ETA to enter the UK. Youngest although registered at birth at the Embassy here has yet to pursue UK nationality and get the shiny "blue" passport.

The only negative is having to pay VAT on records I buy online in the UK. There are of course ways and means round that. They go to a Rams fan mate in Stockport who keeps them for me and we meet up in a hostelry when I'm over for a game. Also records I have up for sale attract VAT when sold to people in the UK although, again, there are ways round that too.

[Geoff Parkstone]

No real impact at all aside from changing the he ways a few things get done (eg as MA says, VAT). Minor issues with travel but nothing to worry about. The bigger picture issues ( more negative than positive) are above my "personal impact" level although there might be a bit of a price inflation as s a result. Still can't control borders or keep boaters out as "promised", Co the more things change the more they stay the same.

[SithHappens]

Cost of living has increased as a result.

Luxury items such as holidays have increased in cost due to weakened pound.

My wife's haulage business, huge impact to profits, and huge increase in red tape, of course some costs passed to customer, see number 1.

There will be an argument the negatives aren't that bad, but our lives were supposed to be better, immediately.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Whilst no doubt cost of living has gone up, how much is due to Brexit. I'd suggest that's more related to COVID, Global warfare and financial meltdown / spiking in interest rates. But we'll never except that EU has had not dissimilar levels of inflation

[SithHappens]

The OBR has stated the effect of brexit is worse than covid.

[Ramshank72]

Society and good manners has suffered, not due to the result, but the divisions that the associated campaigns, social media echo chambers, tabloid and mainstream media fanning of flames... have driven. When was the vote promised, 10 years ago? That was the point it went downhill.
Leaving has had no impact on me in my work or my finances, for better or worse. I guess if I wanted to work in Greece it would be an inconvenience, though as I don't speak Greek it makes no difference.
It's not done Derby any favours anyway