OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[SithHappens]

Makes me laugh when Farage complains about children in schools who 1st language isn't English yet his children's 1st language isn't English

[Andy_Faber]

Makes me laugh when Farage complains about children in schools who 1st language isn't English yet his children's 1st language isn't English

you wouldn't laugh if you were a teacher

[Ram Pant]

you wouldn't laugh if you were a teacher

Amen to that, although most kids I taught had Dutch as their first language.

Interestingly, when kids of Moroccan descent first attend secondary school over here, they speak perfect Dutch with a Dutch accent. Nurture, aka contact with older kids of similar descent on the streets, by the end of the 3rd year, start of the 4th, they have a very pronounced Moroccan accent. Works well on the street but is a disadvantage when seeking employment as the Cloggies interviewing them have difficulty understanding them as there's lots of slang, known only to street kids, that the interviewer simply can't follow.

[Andy_Faber]

Amen to that, although most kids I taught had Dutch as their first language.

Interestingly, when kids of Moroccan descent first attend secondary school over here, they speak perfect Dutch with a Dutch accent. Nurture, aka contact with older kids of similar descent on the streets, by the end of the 3rd year, start of the 4th, they have a very pronounced Moroccan accent. Works well on the street but is a disadvantage when seeking employment as the Cloggies interviewing them have difficulty understanding them as there's lots of slang, known only to street kids, that the interviewer simply can't follow.

Going back to the recent discussion about fee paying schools, such schools in UK have no obligation to take on non-English speaking students, I will give credit to a number of Chinese ex colleagues who ensured their offspring were bilingual (and understandable accent wise) by preschool age, Chinese seem to have some inate skill in this area

[Ram Pant]

A couple (he's English, she's Irish) I know moved to Fuerteventura 18 months ago. They have 2 daughters of Junior School age. Both girls are already fluent in Spanish... and, of course, top of their class in Ingles.

[Geoff Parkstone]

you wouldn't laugh if you were a teacher

I dont think teachers are allowed to laugh anyway. Almost all that I have come across seemed to have had sense of humour by passes.

As to RamPant's point I can only agree. When my kids were in primary school the African heritage kids there, at 5 or 6, spoke excellent English but when I had occasion to interview for new trainees at work, the black candidates at 17 or 18 were barely intelligible (obviously not the same kids!). I wonder why, is it peer group pressure or inadequate teaching?

[SithHappens]

you wouldn't laugh if you were a teacher

The key is 1st language not being English, doesn't mean they don't speak English. It's just an excuse for his racism and shouldn't be defended.

[Andy_Faber]

The key is 1st language not being English, doesn't mean they don't speak English. It's just an excuse for his racism and shouldn't be defended.

Where was the source you used to assert that NF?s children?s first language wasn?t English?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Andy: I imagine its the left wing press to follow a popular refrain when anything controversial is suggested, especially as that infers the older two boys speak Gaelic as a first language which would make them on a par woth less than 1% of the Irish population and still less of anywhere else. Maybe they were brought up by a Filipina nanny as kids and only spoke Tagalog at first. The two daughters may have spoken German at an early age as part of oft cited bilinguality but at school youd have thought they would speak the language they were taught in, depending on where they were educated, if bilingual.

So I'd say, in the immortal words of Frank Muir or Patrick Cambell "Bluff" but they didnt always get it right

[swaledale]

Andy: I imagine its the left wing press to follow a popular refrain when anything controversial is suggested, especially as that infers the older two boys speak Gaelic as a first language which would make them on a par woth less than 1% of the Irish population and still less of anywhere else. Maybe they were brought up by a Filipina nanny as kids and only spoke Tagalog at first. The two daughters may have spoken German at an early age as part of oft cited bilinguality but at school youd have thought they would speak the language they were taught in, depending on where they were educated, if bilingual.

So I'd say, in the immortal words of Frank Muir or Patrick Cambell "Bluff" but they didnt always get it right

Even for you this is a utter nonsense!

[swaledale]

Got your threads confused, GP. Swale makes a perfectly valid Brexit point and you reply with something that belongs on ‘One liners’. Weird.

That's what happens when AF and GP are confronted with facts that don't suit their narrow views. It's consistent with how Trump, Farage and rags like the Fail and Torygraph respond. So much so that one might almost think they read and hear this deflection and then repeat it on a casual basis. Or they just go quiet when a point one has made which they have attacked repeatedly is proven.

Rather like Farage, who has now resorted to accusing the BBC of double standards by having Bernard Manning on in the '70's, whilst failing to acknowledge that anything he might have said or done was unacceptable and also failing to acknowledge that unlike the BBC (or indeed any other media at the time) he has continued into the present day to be divisive, racist and xenophobic!

[swaledale]

And if my dog was a cow I'd make cheese with it's milk

Ah bless!

[Ram Pant]

Oh for the days when politicians said what they meant and meant what they said (apparently it has happened but septegenarians and younger folk probably can't remember that time).

Farage "if Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad, I'll go and live somewhere else"

Why is he still present?

[ramAnag]

I dont think teachers are allowed to laugh anyway. Almost all that I have come across seemed to have had sense of humour by passes.

Heard the one about the fun accountant, GP? Me neither.

[Ram Pant]

Heard the one about the fun accountant, GP? Me neither.

That figures