OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

Guess we had better move this thread onwards to 2000 then.....

I suspect that more than 50% of the total contributions on this thread may be deemed unintelligent by one poster or another, but at least "wibble" is neutral - universally loathed or universally loved. Neither pro remain nor pro leave.

You say that. but surely if something or someone is universally loved then that means everyone and therefore it cannot be universally loathed at the same time? The correct terminology is surely equally?

[swaledale]

Great summing up mactheman now back to football PLEASE

I kind of thought this thread would fizzle out once the season started, but so dull has the football been, no transfer news to speak of that I think the only thread that keeps the sarcasm and wit razor sharp and Angry having an eppy is this topic!

[ramAnag]

You're right Swale...only needs Keogh to publicly comment in favour of 'Remain' or Pearson to suggest that he might be 'resting' a few against Carlisle tomorrow night and the Angry one will be in therapy.

[swaledale]

Rest a few?! I'd rest the bloody lot tomorrow and play the U21's!

back on topic messrs Farage and Johnson have been notable by theer absence lately considering they managed to get 37% of the population to believe their disingenuous claptrap!

[ramspride]

The one thing this topic has taught me is that some Forest supporters have brains and some Derby supporters don't. Oh damn now what have I started��

[ramAnag]

Agreed, Friday night much more important. Be interesting to see what sort of sides Burton and Liverpool put out tomorrow.

Actually I think Johnson was technically in charge of the country last week...horrible thought...but, whatever crisis is knocking at the door, nothing must get in the way of their two and a half month summer recess followed by the party conference jollies. Don't think Parliament really starts again till the second week of October...amazed we've all survived.

[ramAnag]

The one thing this topic has taught me is that some Forest supporters have brains and some Derby supporters don't. Oh damn now what have I started��

Not sure about that RP...I've never thought of you as being all that thick.

[roger_ramjet]

So who's it to be - Boris or Bradley...who would you prefer in the respective starting line up Mangara? The Johnson of your choice - just like an election in Rock Ridge.

[ramAnag]

Well RR...Boris has his uses but they pretty much stopped with 'Have I Got News for You'. He seems a lousy human being and as terrifying as a Foreign Secretary as he must have been to that little ten year old Japanese kid when the pompous, overweight bully went thundering down the (presumably right wing) in that impromptu rugby game.
Bradley's usefulness unfortunately seemed to cease not long after his journey to 'Derby City' from the fens. He could prove almost as costly to Derby as Boris' buffoonery is likely to be for the country but of the two I've got a lot more faith in Bradley ever doing anything useful...whether it's actually for us remains to be seen.

[Andy_Faber]

Well RR...Boris has his uses but they pretty much stopped with 'Have I Got News for You'. He seems a lousy human being and as terrifying as a Foreign Secretary as he must have been to that little ten year old Japanese kid when the pompous, overweight bully went thundering down the (presumably right wing) in that impromptu rugby game.
Bradley's usefulness unfortunately seemed to cease not long after his journey to 'Derby City' from the fens. He could prove almost as costly to Derby as Boris' buffoonery is likely to be for the country but of the two I've got a lot more faith in Bradley ever doing anything useful...whether it's actually for us remains to be seen.

I'm disagreeing with this one (not just to keep the topic going!).

Bradley J was only ever a 'pretty good' player (lets say average 8/10) who, for reasons we don't know and I bet he wishes he did, slumped to around 4/10 with the occasional 0/10 (Hull at home...). I can only think of one player who dipped so much and then rose from the ashes, and that was Bruce Rioch many many years ago. BUT, with Bradley, his best/worst is played out in public, we can all see the impact he's making.

Boris J meanwhile, has the public persona of a bad clown (nerfing that Jap kid to the turf being a low point, trying to ham it up with US secretary of state John Kerry was another), but we DON'T see him actually going about the important part of his business - that's all done in 'smokey rooms' or whatever the modern day equivalents are, and with people who, quite honestly, are on a different level to 'us' (not better, just different). I can't believe that someone as thoughtful as theresa May would have just chucked him into that job out of spite - if she'd been in that sort of mood she'd have made him UK ambassador in Japan - so I think we need to wait and see on the Boris one, but he could be making a much bigger impact than is evident. Could.

[Gaspode]

....Boris J meanwhile, has the public persona of a bad clown (nerfing that Jap kid to the turf being a low point, trying to ham it up with US secretary of state John Kerry was another), but we DON'T see him actually going about the important part of his business - that's all done in 'smokey rooms' or whatever the modern day equivalents are, and with people who, quite honestly, are on a different level to 'us' (not better, just different). I can't believe that someone as thoughtful as theresa May would have just chucked him into that job out of spite - if she'd been in that sort of mood she'd have made him UK ambassador in Japan - so I think we need to wait and see on the Boris one, but he could be making a much bigger impact than is evident. Could.

General consensus from those who know him is that Boris is an incredible clever individual who is quite happy to hide behind the buffoon image. He wouldn't have been given such a high-profile job otherwise. It's a bit like people looking at Corbyn and only seeing a silly old duffer with his head in the 70's and his heart in the Kremlin - I'm sure the truth of the man is completely different to his image.....
As far as Boris goes, he seemed to make a pretty good fist of being Mayor of London - in fact I'm sure a lot of London folk would have been happy for him to stay on rather than be saddled with Citizen Khan.....

[ramAnag]

Very charitable view imo, Andy.

At least Bradley has made it to 8/10 and I really would love your Bruce Rioch comparison to come true.

Boris in comparison has never, as far as we know, reached any such heights. His 'bad clown'/buffoonish public persona might make him unusual in the world of politics but I doubt it is useful to either him personally or us as a nation as far as his role as a professional politician is concerned.

I've never suggested that Theresa May has given him the job out of 'spite', but the murky Machiavellian world of politics does work in peculiar ways and I wouldn't be surprised if eventually it becomes a case of 'give him enough rope'...he is after all one of her political rivals, albeit a currently quite chastened one.

One of our problems these days is, I think, that politicians are indeed on a 'different level' and unfortunately, in rather too many cases and as exemplified at PMQ's, it is some way below the rest of us. Either way, before Roger jumps in with it, I can think of one particular BJ that is infinitely preferable to either of these two.

[roger_ramjet]

Brian Jones?

[ramAnag]

Brian Jones?

Him too.

[Andy_Faber]

Very charitable view imo, Andy.

At least Bradley has made it to 8/10 and I really would love your Bruce Rioch comparison to come true.

PMQ's,

On the Bradley thing, I'm ultimately a caring soul despite some of my barbed comments, and I've been wondering why I can't bring myself to be quite as sympathetic towards him as I was towards Bruce (and others) back in the day. And of course its the reward thing. When Bruce had an off day, I could empathise with that, he probably got paid a multiple of what me and those around me in the paddock got paid, but a reasonable multiple, and I had to put in mind, yes he's like me, we both have our off days, we both manage to turn a quid despite that and we both hope for better days. Bradley gets paid probably fifty times what the man in the street gets paid, and that empathetic link has (at least in my case) unfortunately been lost, and the sympathy follows

On the PMQ's thing, I think anyone who wonders why the general population has got contempt for politicians, they just need to watch that. Funny it may be on occasion, but our politicians shouldn't be funny