OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

crossrail

Crossrail wasn't Johnson's idea and it was Gordon Brown who agreed the initial finance for it way before Johnson became Mayor as for the remark about Londons make up and Khan being elected...words fail me

[roger_ramjet]

Sadly words seldom fail you Swale!!

[Andy_Faber]

Crossrail wasn't Johnson's idea and it was Gordon Brown who agreed the initial finance for it way before Johnson became Mayor as for the remark about Londons make up and Khan being elected...words fail me

Khan seems like a good choice, if he is as good as his word (and I've listened to him quite a lot) Londoners should do well by him.

Regarding Southern's 'point', I'm guessing there was a Muslim influence in the outcome, Muslims/folk from the Indian Subcontinent are more likely than the general population to vote (in local elections) and much as the PC lobby hate to admit it there was bound to be a bit of 'voting for your own' (which is a worldwide trait, look at a vote that really matters, Eurovision), but none of that would have made the difference Khan would have needed to win by the margin he did.

[swaledale]

Khan seems like a good choice, if he is as good as his word (and I've listened to him quite a lot) Londoners should do well by him.

Regarding Southern's 'point', I'm guessing there was a Muslim influence in the outcome, Muslims/folk from the Indian Subcontinent are more likely than the general population to vote (in local elections) and much as the PC lobby hate to admit it there was bound to be a bit of 'voting for your own' (which is a worldwide trait, look at a vote that really matters, Eurovision), but none of that would have made the difference Khan would have needed to win by the margin he did.

Fair up to a point, but there assumes that the majority of UK citizens with a muslim or indian sub continent background actually see Khan as one of their own, which given the divisions in Iraq and elsewhere between different muslim sects and other religious groups is pehaps a dangerous assumption to make!

[roger_ramjet]

I believe he is Sunni which is by far the largest sub division of Islam with about 85% adherence.

[Andy_Faber]

Fair up to a point, but there assumes that the majority of UK citizens with a muslim or indian sub continent background actually see Khan as one of their own, which given the divisions in Iraq and elsewhere between different muslim sects and other religious groups is pehaps a dangerous assumption to make!

yes its a complex issue, there was a prog on my radio station of choice where they interviewed a Seikh (I think) who was challenged on why he was voting for a Muslim and responded like to even ask the question was an insult, he voted based on the man not his religion, then a Muslim was interviewed who wasn't voting for him because of some esoteric sub-reason even I, with my massive brain lol couldn't understand! It certainly puts Derby/Forest into the shade

[roger_ramjet]

yes its a complex issue, there was a prog on my radio station of choice where they interviewed a Seikh (I think) who was challenged on why he was voting for a Muslim and responded like to even ask the question was an insult, he voted based on the man not his religion, then a Muslim was interviewed who wasn't voting for him because of some esoteric sub-reason even I, with my massive brain lol couldn't understand! It certainly puts Derby/Forest into the shade

You sound like Marvin the Paranoid Android

[ramAnag]

With respect Andy, I'm struggling to understand what you're struggling to understand.
Don't most sensible folk vote for the person and what he/she stands for rather than what race/religion/culture they are identified with? In a perfect world I think we'd be better off without any religion (although having said that I've got more time for the current Archbishop of Canterbury than virtually all politicians) but I certainly vote for the individual's ideals, aims and character rather than any side issues like race and religion.

P.S. and even further OT...That's why I struggle with Corbyn...quite like many of his philosophies but he comes across like a teenage idealist in a seventy year old body...knows what he wants but never any flesh on the bones of how we get there.

[roger_ramjet]

With respect Mangara, anyone who opens a post with the words "with respect" rarely means it!!

[ramAnag]

With respect Mangara, anyone who opens a post with the words "with respect" rarely means it!!

Think that's 'with all due respect', which usually means, 'what's due is **** all'. In this case, that's not what was meant. If anything it meant...'it's a tad contentious but I'm not being accusatory'...because some have been known to misinterpret and take the hump.
Hope that's clear.

[Andy_Faber]

Think that's 'with all due respect', which usually means, 'what's due is **** all'. In this case, that's not what was meant. If anything it meant...'it's a tad contentious but I'm not being accusatory'...because some have been known to misinterpret and take the hump.
Hope that's clear.

No hump taken if that helps and the all due respect thing isn't needed, the nature of the response is how I judge respect for the bolloxs I write.

[swaledale]

Think that's 'with all due respect', which usually means, 'what's due is **** all'. In this case, that's not what was meant. If anything it meant...'it's a tad contentious but I'm not being accusatory'...because some have been known to misinterpret and take the hump.
Hope that's clear.

Can I take the hump?

[southernram22]

its about time they failed you swale you talk enough of them and you are the one person who single handedly have refused to listen to any other views it was my view that the make up of londons population would help mr khan nowhere did i mention anything rascist its just you twisting it around what this board needs is less you and your views and more views on the true reason of us being here football i suggest this post might be shut before anyone does say something that they regret.

[swaledale]

its about time they failed you swale you talk enough of them and you are the one person who single handedly have refused to listen to any other views it was my view that the make up of londons population would help mr khan nowhere did i mention anything rascist its just you twisting it around what this board needs is less you and your views and more views on the true reason of us being here football i suggest this post might be shut before anyone does say something that they regret.

Well you seem to have taken the hump even though I was responding to Andy's post and not to you - as for twisting things, that as usual is exactly what you done in saying i was suggesting that your rascist which for one id idn't and for two i wasn't responding to you!

Mind you i think you do protest too much, which to me tells its own story!


So according to your logic, 12.4 % of londons population being muslim means that Khan had a natural advantage? First as i pointed out muslims are not one homogeneous grouping anymore than any other religion or race is and of course not all that 12.4% are able to vote. That still leaves 77.6% who aren't muslim which by your reckoning must give a non muslim candidate an advantage?

So as a proposition its frankly ridiculous and if you get annoyed by having spurious comments that cannot be backed up by facts dismantled, then its you who should toddle off to another thread and let those able to debate in a civilised if forthright manner continue to do so.

[swaledale]

With respect Mangara, anyone who opens a post with the words "with respect" rarely means it!!

With all due respect for pedants Rog!