OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

I almost certainly wont bother voting in the £ 150 million farce known as Euro elections, but if I do, then the monster raving looney party candidate, or nearest equivalent, will be the beneficiary.

Actually the local green didn't do too badly, but it was still a blue sweep in my ward: Greens comfortably outscored the Lib Dem candidate and Labour would have lost their deposit if such rules applied.

Greens now have the second largest number of councillors, albeit a long way behind the Tories, but they have double the number of your sainted LibDems, and 6 more than the Corbynistas.

Not ‘sainted’ GP...just, along with the Greens and non Corbynista Labour, the best of a pretty poor bunch imo.

Frankly, you’ll be unsurprised to know, I’d vote anything to stop the Brexit Party or UKIP although the latter are pretty much finished anyway imo.

[Manofpride]

Brexit Party all the way, you know it makes sense!

[AdiSalisbury]

No we don't take you seriously, most of what you post has zero provenance

Indeed.

[ramAnag]

Brexit Party all the way, you know it makes sense!

You seem to be confusing ‘sense’ with nonsense, MoP...but at least we know where you stand.

Next time you speak to your mate Nigel ask him how much he’s earned out of Brexit while the rest of the country has suffered.

[Manofpride]

The only reason we will suffer is if we stay in the EU or Leave on remainer Mays terms.

[ramAnag]

MoP...we often agree about football and Derby but let’s face it, we’re never going to agree on Brexit.

If you knew what a negative impact the Brexit situation has already had on EU funded scientific/medical research in this country and how much money has already been wasted on arranging storage for essential medicines in the event of a ‘no-deal/hard’ Brexit you wouldn’t be so glib.

I wouldn’t normally have much idea about such things but circumstances have led to me having a greater awareness of these two aspects than I might otherwise have had.

It’s the tip of a very scary ‘iceberg’. God only knows how business people have coped with the uncertainty generated by what you call the ‘will of the people’, in the meantime your man Farage has just got wealthier and wealthier.

‘Man of the People’? He’s a total fraud and a complete charlatan imo.

[Andy_Faber]

It’s the tip of a very scary ‘iceberg’. God only knows how business people have coped with the uncertainty generated by what you call the ‘will of the people’

By being business people. Folk who have it in their own hands to minimise the impact of change, or maximise the opportunities of same, roll their sleeves up and get on with it. Be they pro or anti, I don't know a single half-decent business owner/influencer who hasn't, me included.

[ramAnag]

By being business people. Folk who have it in their own hands to minimise the impact of change, or maximise the opportunities of same, roll their sleeves up and get on with it. Be they pro or anti, I don't know a single half-decent business owner/influencer who hasn't, me included.

Where have I said otherwise?

I’m being sympathetic to business people...some have undoubtedly fallen by the wayside and the majority will, I’m sure, have behaved much as you describe.

My point is...they shouldn’t have had to and what you describe as the minimisation of the impact of change has all been completely unnecessary and brought about entirely by this exercise in self harm.

Other than Farage Ltd, along with those who might have the contracts for printing ballot papers and the manufacture of anti depressants, are there really any companies doing better now than at the same time in 2016?

[Andy_Faber]

Where have I said otherwise?

I’m being sympathetic to business people...some have undoubtedly fallen by the wayside and the majority will, I’m sure, have behaved much as you describe.

My point is...they shouldn’t have had to and what you describe as the minimisation of the impact of change has all been completely unnecessary and brought about entirely by this exercise in self harm.

Other than Farage Ltd, along with those who might have the contracts for printing ballot papers and the manufacture of anti depressants, are there really any companies doing better now than at the same time in 2016?

My own. Swale's (I'm guessing). My old 9-5 employers who do most of their outward business with a non-EU entity and who's FC (me) carried out a massive currenncy hedging exercise to mitigate £/Euro fluctuations (most suppliers were EU). My BIL's company who sell to EU and buy from non EU and took a ride on the exchange rates. My best mate who uses exclusively UK (in fact within a ten mile radius of Long Eaton) labour and materials and sells to Turkey and China. My next door but 4 mate who works for a car dealership who's profits have rocketed. My Sheff Wednesday mate who's company sells to Asia and stands a good chance of walking away a multi-millionaire next year if his ticker holds out. My mate from Newark who regrets NOT buying equity in the company he works for who service EU and non-EU and who paid record profit related bonuses to partners last month. My wife's hairdressers, a new startup and absolutely thriving. Her former hairdressers, just expanded into new premises. The nail bar in Spondon, gone from nothing to being standing room only some days. IMHO you and a lot of 'frustrated remainers' are WAY too wound up on the personalities in this pantomime, I don't think any more of Farage than you do other than appreciating that he has a magnetic personality, however that asset is used.

[AdiSalisbury]

are there really any companies doing better now than at the same time in 2016?

Yep, mine, with international growth accelerating faster than ever

Hysteria, swaley facts, and facts are all different things really

[ramAnag]

My own. Swale's (I'm guessing). My old 9-5 employers who do most of their outward business with a non-EU entity and who's FC (me) carried out a massive currenncy hedging exercise to mitigate £/Euro fluctuations (most suppliers were EU). My BIL's company who sell to EU and buy from non EU and took a ride on the exchange rates. My best mate who uses exclusively UK (in fact within a ten mile radius of Long Eaton) labour and materials and sells to Turkey and China. My next door but 4 mate who works for a car dealership who's profits have rocketed. My Sheff Wednesday mate who's company sells to Asia and stands a good chance of walking away a multi-millionaire next year if his ticker holds out. My mate from Newark who regrets NOT buying equity in the company he works for who service EU and non-EU and who paid record profit related bonuses to partners last month. My wife's hairdressers, a new startup and absolutely thriving. Her former hairdressers, just expanded into new premises. The nail bar in Spondon, gone from nothing to being standing room only some days. IMHO you and a lot of 'frustrated remainers' are WAY too wound up on the personalities in this pantomime, I don't think any more of Farage than you do other than appreciating that he has a magnetic personality, however that asset is used.

...and yet you’d still vote ‘Remain’ again, given the opportunity.

[wessoram]

The only reason we will suffer is if we stay in the EU or Leave on remainer Mays terms.

Yeah, your pretty much spot on there, Mop.

[MadAmster]

... and I still keep coming up with the EI being part of the whole gloablisation thing where all political and economic power ends up in the hands of half a dozen tossers and the rest of us end up as some kind of puppet with a microchip insert so they know, 24/7, what we do, think, say and where we are.

Believe me we are well on the way, and that is why I am so against the entire damned abomination.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Just because you're paranoid MA, it doesn't mean to say they aren't all out to get you.

[ramAnag]

... and I still keep coming up with the EI being part of the whole gloablisation thing where all political and economic power ends up in the hands of half a dozen tossers and the rest of us end up as some kind of puppet with a microchip insert so they know, 24/7, what we do, think, say and where we are.

Believe me we are well on the way, and that is why I am so against the entire damned abomination.

You don’t sound like some kind of ‘microchipped puppet’ to me, MA...and economic power in this country has been in the hands of a tiny minority for ever...long before the EU.

The EU hasn’t even managed to get us to drive on the right, fully embrace the metric system or join the Euro, nor have they tried - not in the case of the first two at least. Think you may have to look elsewhere for for a source of the ‘thought police’.