OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[claw84]

What experience, you're full of **** and been proved wrong at every juncture? Paid mercenaries, or professional servicemen protecting your right to talk *******s?

You are a ****ing idiot. You are the thickest and most arrogant piece of **** I've ever come across. You are so thick it is painful. I've never known someone so naive. I'm sure you realise this, but anyone with half a brain cell can see right through you. You know **** all about anything. It doesn't surprise me that posters left this site due to you. You may pull the wool over others eyes who are naive in these matters, but everyone else sees through you. Education is free, perhaps you should've paid attention.

I'll take the yellow Andy, it's worth it.

well said Adi, it is very hard to convince people who don't listen to the facts so I will just give a quote "We have a legitimate need to protect and enhance our global interests. It is important that we maintain the independent defence capability to do so. We stand the best chance of doing so OUTSIDE THE EU. " Defence Secretary Penny Mordount.


Good luck in the play off final Adi.

[ramAnag]

well said Adi, it is very hard to convince people who don't listen to the facts so I will just give a quote "We have a legitimate need to protect and enhance our global interests. It is important that we maintain the independent defence capability to do so. We stand the best chance of doing so OUTSIDE THE EU. " Defence Secretary Penny Mordount.


Good luck in the play off final Adi.

But Penny Mordaunt would say that, claw. She’s an avowed ‘Leave’ campaigner who supported Andrea Leadsom against May back in 2016.

That’s her opinion, no ‘facts’ there and nothing about an EU army either.

[Andy_Faber]

As we approach 5,000 posts on this gripping subject, I'd be interested to know whether each of you have either changed your point of view on the Brexit issue or even changed your mind about how you should have voted. My guess is that this forum merely reflects the country as a whole and there has been no give and take on the subject. If so, no wonder there's stagnation

[ramAnag]

As we approach 5,000 posts on this gripping subject, I'd be interested to know whether each of you have either changed your point of view on the Brexit issue or even changed your mind about how you should have voted. My guess is that this forum merely reflects the country as a whole and there has been no give and take on the subject. If so, no wonder there's stagnation

Lol...you’ve changed your mind more than enough for the whole forum, Andy. How’s that fence today?

[swaledale]

No, not at all. Its arrogant, and insulting. I work in the defense industry but wouldn't be stupid enough to think I'd know more than someone who actually served.

How ****ing stupid are you? You think a bloody squaddie knows more about defence capability and spending? You really are thick then! Arrogant and insulting? I wouldn't debate the finer points of killing an enemy or doing night manourvres, but it doesn't take a ****ing squaddie to be able to assess the uK's military capability FFS!

I used to think you had some intelligence, now I know you don't have diddly squat!

Someone who has served, really? Might apply to those who served in WW2, since then its a ****ing paid job not some glorious sacrifice for the nation and not that dangerous either compared to other occupations - jeez stupid people do get taken in by the false propaganda put out by the elite who want a continuous stream of arseholes prepared to do the dirty work for **** all pay and aftercare!

So you make your living selling death and destruction to other totalitarian states then? mm wouldn't brag about that if I was you.

[swaledale]

Showing your true colours here Swale? Posting 3 comments on the brexit thread just as we go 3-1 up and during the dramatic second half. Strange

To be fair Geoff, I switched off when Leeds scored convinced that we were ****ed. Truly amazed that we won our team is like Jekyll and Hyde wonder which version will turn up at Wembley?

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=AdiSalisbury;39223751]What experience, you're full of **** and been proved wrong at every juncture? Paid mercenaries, or professional servicemen protecting your right to talk *******s?

You are a ****ing idiot. You are the thickest and most arrogant piece of **** I've ever come across. You are so thick it is painful. I've never known someone so naive. I'm sure you realise this, but anyone with half a brain cell can see right through you. You know **** all about anything. It doesn't surprise me that posters left this site due to you. You may pull the wool over others eyes who are naive in these matters, but everyone else sees through you. Education is free, perhaps you should've paid attention.

I'll take the yellow Andy, it's worth it.[/QUOTE

Not sure how seeing as you have just demonstrated a total lack of understanding of reality? I thought you were dim and this last post has demonstrated how dim you really are.

So in essence you arguing I'm wrong when you can actually find out the facts from a simple internet search, just because it doesn't fit in with your niave view of the world doesn't mean that I'm wrong, just that your too thick to undertsand facts.

Yes paid mercenaries, people paid to do whatever a politician decides, including kill others whatever the circumstances and irrespective of whether the action is legal (see Iraq, Suez, Malaysia). I ahve no issue with force to protect freedom and democracy, I ahve an issue with politically motivated conflcits which are legally and morally dubious, trouble is if your a paid mercenary, you have no choice. But then by your own admission your involved in the "defence" industry - mm bet the people of Yemen, especially those school kids in that bus really appreciate you definition of "defence".

Still I guess you have a clear conscience in that nothing you have done has ever contributed to the illegal and unwarranted death of any person anywhere in the world, that your happy you earn a living through the sale of arms to countries that use them against civilian targets, or even to subdue their own people? Or perhaps it doesn't bother you that those same weapons manufactured by our "defence" industry were sold to regimes that ended up using them against our own paid mercenaries?

Not only dim, but swallows the propaganda and lacks any awareness of reality - you would have made a good german, I was only following ze orders! How I was I to know that the fascist zealot promising economic miracles was rally intent on exterminating large sections of the human race?

[swaledale]

well said Adi, it is very hard to convince people who don't listen to the facts so I will just give a quote "We have a legitimate need to protect and enhance our global interests. It is important that we maintain the independent defence capability to do so. We stand the best chance of doing so OUTSIDE THE EU. " Defence Secretary Penny Mordount.


Good luck in the play off final Adi.

Very good, except, one we don't have the capability, Mordaunt doesn't have a ****ing clue, she has been in the job 5 minute show the **** does being outside the EU (she is by the way an arch Brexiteer so she would say that wouldn't she?)her predecessor Williamson was talking about sending an aircraft carrier to the the south china sea, before someone whispered in his ear, "Eh we don't have any aircraft to operate on it yet"


Quite how being outside the EU have any impact on our independent defence capability is frankly puzzling - quite how we will afford any meaningful defence capability if the economy is ****ed is a relevant question and then just ****ing look up where we rank in the world in armed forces strength, its not difficult.

I will repeat for the third time, as things stand, we have a veto on being involved in any EU Army, that means we don't have to join, so voting for Brexit purely to avoid that is complete and utter nonsense!

It seems there are many on here who frankly do not know, care or understand the facts - the UK is no longer (and hasn't been for some decades) a global military power! Wake up and smell the coffee folks!

[Manofpride]

How ****ing stupid are you?

I used to think you had some intelligence, now I know you don't have diddly squat!

jeez stupid people do get taken in by the false propaganda

Don't start preaching Propaganda on here, thats all the the Remainers and the BBC have given out!

You make me laugh you really do!!!

[ramAnag]

Don't start preaching Propaganda on here, thats all the the Remainers and the BBC have given out!

You make me laugh you really do!!!

I’m not getting involved in any of the name calling bollux, MoP...but you really can’t blame the BBC and as for the Remainers being guilty of ‘propaganda’...can we please not forget Boris’ bus which appeared on TV everyday for weeks around the time of the Referendum and Farage’s poster.
For me they were the two most blatant pieces of propaganda in the whole campaign and while the ‘Leavers’ used to regularly bang on about ‘Project Fear’ they too used exactly - and continue to do so - the same tactics only in relation to immigration rather than our economic future.

[claw84]

[QUOTE=swaledale;39224715]

What experience, you're full of **** and been proved wrong at every juncture? Paid mercenaries, or professional servicemen protecting your right to talk *******s?

You are a ****ing idiot. You are the thickest and most arrogant piece of **** I've ever come across. You are so thick it is painful. I've never known someone so naive. I'm sure you realise this, but anyone with half a brain cell can see right through you. You know **** all about anything. It doesn't surprise me that posters left this site due to you. You may pull the wool over others eyes who are naive in these matters, but everyone else sees through you. Education is free, perhaps you should've paid attention.

I'll take the yellow Andy, it's worth it.[/QUOTE

Not sure how seeing as you have just demonstrated a total lack of understanding of reality? I thought you were dim and this last post has demonstrated how dim you really are.

So in essence you arguing I'm wrong when you can actually find out the facts from a simple internet search, just because it doesn't fit in with your niave view of the world doesn't mean that I'm wrong, just that your too thick to undertsand facts.

Yes paid mercenaries, people paid to do whatever a politician decides, including kill others whatever the circumstances and irrespective of whether the action is legal (see Iraq, Suez, Malaysia). I ahve no issue with force to protect freedom and democracy, I ahve an issue with politically motivated conflcits which are legally and morally dubious, trouble is if your a paid mercenary, you have no choice. But then by your own admission your involved in the "defence" industry - mm bet the people of Yemen, especially those school kids in that bus really appreciate you definition of "defence".

Still I guess you have a clear conscience in that nothing you have done has ever contributed to the illegal and unwarranted death of any person anywhere in the world, that your happy you earn a living through the sale of arms to countries that use them against civilian targets, or even to subdue their own people? Or perhaps it doesn't bother you that those same weapons manufactured by our "defence" industry were sold to regimes that ended up using them against our own paid mercenaries?

Not only dim, but swallows the propaganda and lacks any awareness of reality - you would have made a good german, I was only following ze orders! How I was I to know that the fascist zealot promising economic miracles was rally intent on exterminating large sections of the human race?

Swale, you know nothing about our countries armed forces, and by the way we are not mercenaries as they are people who fight for another country for money. We serve our country, not for money. You mention Malaysia, well I fought there and in Borneo but it was at the request of the Malaysian government, for which same government awarded me a medal, I was also awarded a citation by the Queen. Something which I feel you will never get. You say Penny Mordaunt knows nothing, she has and still is an officer in the Naval reserve. You say we have no aircraft for our carrier's, the Queen Elizabeth sails next month for aircraft testing and trials of which at present there are 14, with a futher 18 being delivered from factory,We have 148 F35b Lightning fighters on order. Your knowledge is very poor.

[ramAnag]

May speaks...right wing unelected PM more likely...Brexit Party looks to be holding up...£ falls...just saying!

[Manofpride]

May speaks...right wing unelected PM more likely...Brexit Party looks to be holding up...£ falls...just saying!

If we leave without a deal the pound will rise! just saying. Nice to see remainers still have enough dosh for milkshakes though!

[ramAnag]

If we leave without a deal the pound will rise! just saying. Nice to see remainers still have enough dosh for milkshakes though!

How on earth do you work that out? Every time a ‘no deal’ Brexit appears likely or those who support the idea appear in the ascendency the £ falls.
The prospect of Brexit is about as appealing to the currency gurus as it is to British Steel.

[MadAmster]

Just done my bit for democracy and voted in the Dutch EU Election.

Not voted for a Nexit supporting party as they are all ultra right wing racist tossers over here. There was one party that seems to me to want similar things to me that isn't extremist.

What does that party stand for in the European Union?
1. More attention to the position of the elderly
2. Rejecting any form of age discrimination
3. A European Commissioner for Aging Problems
4. Tackling what is needed at European level with the same rules for all Member States
5. Countries that ignore the rules, financially punish them
6. To stay away from issues countries can arrange themselves
7. Reducing European regulations
8. Better cooperation in the field of safety
9. Better cooperation on sustainability
10. More European money for innovation
11. Fewer subsidies for agriculture and prosperous regions
12. More transparency about European decision-making
13. Reduction of salaries and / or allowances for European Commissioners and Members of the European Parliament
14. Delete Strasbourg as a meeting place for the European Parliament

What they don't want:
1. Pan-European pension rules
2. Direct European taxes
3. Further expansion of the European Union
4. A separate budget for countries with the euro
5. A European Finance Minister