OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

If a student cannot spend 10 minutes of his or her life sorting out how/where to vote when the pressure on their time is not huge (no exams to do, at worst a summer job or job hunting) then I consider that they gave up their vote of their own accord. Doubtless there was some manyana out there, some confidence that remain would win without a personal vote being missed, but you cannot call another referendum because some idle sod couldn't sort his or her voter registration out.

Your argument is as specious as the one that old people cannot vote in the local elections as is too confusing when you have to vote for maybe 3 people and do not have to vote the same colour always (although many people do).

If voting is important to someone, then they will find a way through the system, and don't forget the referendum timing was chosen by a predominantly remain cabinet at the time, so it was hardly a "Farage Fix".

[ramAnag]

Disagree, but so be it and I’ve never mentioned a ‘Farage fix’. I’m no conspiracy theorist, besides most established politicians probably loath the man as much as me...albeit for entirely different reasons.

No ‘fix’...just yet more incompetence.

[ramAnag]

With nothing happening on the transfer/managerial front, summer and the cricket World Cup seemingly rained off and Brexit playing second fiddle to the Tories holding the country hostage to their own fortune yet again, let’s have a lighthearted, or otherwise, look at the runners and riders. (Sorry Angry. ).

So...in no particular order.

Rory Stewart...hampered by looking like a slightly deranged teenager but actually speaks some sense. 15/1
Mark Harper...who? 100/1
Michael Gove...hampered by looking totally deranged, especially when out jogging, but spoke better than most at the initial hustings. 5/1
Matt Hancock...the quiet man. Speaks more sense than many but ambition not matched by ability. 25/1
Jeremy Hunt...despite apparently not knowing what nationality his wife is he is vastly experienced, looks relatively normal and can be sensible as far as Brexit is concerned. 5/1
Sajid Javed...always keeps his head down even as Home Secretary and no one knows what, if anything, he stands for, but unlikely to have much support amongst grass roots Tories i.e. the electorate in this case. 25/1
Boris Johnson...given the nature of the aforementioned electorate he must be favourite but always likely to put his foot in starting this morning when his ‘handlers’ are due to let him speak. Likely to be a disastrous PM imo. 4/1 until he screws up or gets caught out.
Andrea Leadsom...hideous, power hungry, opportunist candidate who no one had heard of prior to her ill thought out and bitchy comments about Theresa May last time around. 20/1
Esther McVey...equally hideous, power hungry, opportunist candidate but without the political ‘intelligence’...attractive to misguided blue collar Tories only. Fortunately not many of them will be voting this time around. 100/1
Dominic Raab...Oxbridge bright...common sense dim. Total failure as Brexit Secretary haunted by his inability to recognise the importance of Dover to our trading nation. 90/1

Verdict...is this really the best this country can offer?

[MadAmster]

I did like Victoria Derbyshire's apt "faux pas" on Jeremy.

Is there even one of them you would trust to have your back in any kind of argument, be that intellectual or physical?

IMO, No!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Not one of them worth more than a fart in the bath. A moment of short lasting pleasure, a mildly unpleasant smell follows and then nothing. A vacuum. Yet still more plausible that anything on the other side. I despair of the lack of quality in parliament

[MadAmster]

Not one of them worth more than a fart in the bath. A moment of short lasting pleasure, a mildly unpleasant smell follows and then nothing. A vacuum. Yet still more plausible that anything on the other side. I despair of the lack of quality in parliament

Too many "career politicians" GP. None of them with any experience of real life, proper jobs, running a company, applying for jobs and getting no reply, getting turned down......................... etc.

[ramAnag]

Not one of them worth more than a fart in the bath. A moment of short lasting pleasure, a mildly unpleasant smell follows and then nothing. A vacuum. Yet still more plausible that anything on the other side. I despair of the lack of quality in parliament

Not sure that’s entirely fair GP. There is some quality, albeit limited, on both sides...just not in the Tory leadership stakes.

My problem is with things like Boris Johnson being proud to have the support of the likes of Michael Fallon...or Sir Michael as he’s known, despite having been heavily involved in the expenses scandal, having a conviction for drink driving and finally resigning having been accused, on a least three separate counts, of behaving inappropriately towards women.

Reckon you or I would have probably been sacked in such circumstances but such morality does not apparently extend to politicians and those who’ve been knighted.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I may not have been sacked as I'm self e
Mployed now, but then again......

[mistaram]

Not sure that’s entirely fair GP. There is some quality, albeit limited, on both sides...just not in the Tory leadership stakes.

My problem is with things like Boris Johnson being proud to have the support of the likes of Michael Fallon...or Sir Michael as he’s known, despite having been heavily involved in the expenses scandal, having a conviction for drink driving and finally resigning having been accused, on a least three separate counts, of behaving inappropriately towards women.

Reckon you or I would have probably been sacked in such circumstances but such morality does not apparently extend to politicians and those who’ve been knighted.

RA yes the same Sir Michael who accused We Milliband of stabbing his brother in the back to become leader of the Labour party and would do the same to the country if he became PM The same Sir Michael a s director of Tullett Prebon the leading stockbroker in the city were the company who got the government to sell Royal Mail. I say well really mean give away by your mate Vince. I had to laugh when he was caught fiddelling his expenses he said "Why didn't somebody tell me " Get he didn't need anyone to tell him He wasn't claiming enough .Still when your MP for Sevenoakes you can do what you like they would vote for cat if it had a blue rosette on

[Manofpride]

Boris is nothing great but he'll get the job done!

[mistaram]

Boris is nothing great but he'll get the job done!

No just a two faced lying prat If he's the best we've got i fear for this country

[ramAnag]

No just a two faced lying prat If he's the best we've got i fear for this country

He’s far from the ‘best we’ve got’, mista...but he’s what we’re likely to end up with now the PM is being chosen (yet again) by about 150,000 Tory Party members who are more concerned with the survival of their own Party than the well being of the country.

He was inept and evasive this morning imo, but try telling that to the Tory grass roots.

[Andy_Faber]

With nothing happening on the transfer/managerial front, summer and the cricket World Cup seemingly rained off and Brexit playing second fiddle to the Tories holding the country hostage to their own fortune yet again, let’s have a lighthearted, or otherwise, look at the runners and riders. (Sorry Angry. ).

So...in no particular order.

Rory Stewart...hampered by looking like a slightly deranged teenager but actually speaks some sense. 15/1
Mark Harper...who? 100/1
Michael Gove...hampered by looking totally deranged, especially when out jogging, but spoke better than most at the initial hustings. 5/1
Matt Hancock...the quiet man. Speaks more sense than many but ambition not matched by ability. 25/1
Jeremy Hunt...despite apparently not knowing what nationality his wife is he is vastly experienced, looks relatively normal and can be sensible as far as Brexit is concerned. 5/1
Sajid Javed...always keeps his head down even as Home Secretary and no one knows what, if anything, he stands for, but unlikely to have much support amongst grass roots Tories i.e. the electorate in this case. 25/1
Boris Johnson...given the nature of the aforementioned electorate he must be favourite but always likely to put his foot in starting this morning when his ‘handlers’ are due to let him speak. Likely to be a disastrous PM imo. 4/1 until he screws up or gets caught out.
Andrea Leadsom...hideous, power hungry, opportunist candidate who no one had heard of prior to her ill thought out and bitchy comments about Theresa May last time around. 20/1
Esther McVey...equally hideous, power hungry, opportunist candidate but without the political ‘intelligence’...attractive to misguided blue collar Tories only. Fortunately not many of them will be voting this time around. 100/1
Dominic Raab...Oxbridge bright...common sense dim. Total failure as Brexit Secretary haunted by his inability to recognise the importance of Dover to our trading nation. 90/1

Verdict...is this really the best this country can offer?

Perceptive and mildly humorous at the same time RA, good effort.

Conservatives will be wrestling with the conundrum of who would be the best PM (IMO Jeremy Hunt) and who would be the PM to win the next election (IMO Boris Johnson)

Also IMO, a labour party ked by Keir Starmer rather than the muppets currently doing so would make the choice irrelevant in three years anyway

[ramAnag]

Perceptive and mildly humorous at the same time RA, good effort.

Conservatives will be wrestling with the conundrum of who would be the best PM (IMO Jeremy Hunt) and who would be the PM to win the next election (IMO Boris Johnson)

Also IMO, a labour party ked by Keir Starmer rather than the muppets currently doing so would make the choice irrelevant in three years anyway

Wow...a tad patronising perhaps, but the nicest comment you’ve made for months. Feel as if I’ve had my homework marked.

[Andy_Faber]

Wow...a tad patronising perhaps, but the nicest comment you’ve made for months. Feel as if I’ve had my homework marked.

Thanks for reviewing my response, and it wasn't intended as patronising, and mildly humorous was appropriate, leave the easy hit rofling to folk like odious Leftie non-comic Jo Brand who going by what happened to Danny Baker should really get her marching orders after last night, but won't