OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Had a good night on the ale last night, Swale??

[mistaram]

[QUOTE=swaledale;39345082]

I doubt he would even know howto try to run a business! So we are prepared to **** aerospace, automobile, pharmaceuticals, finance, chemicals and agriculture in order to gain completely illusory "control" over something which we had in fact never lost control of?

Yep seems an entirely sensible idea to me, lets **** the country's economy for a decade just to satisfy the ravings of a less than a third of the Uk's population!

Swales your right in all that But I can't even be bothered to argue with them anymore . There's none so blind as those who cannot see

[MadAmster]

Swales your right in all that But I can't even be bothered to argue with them anymore . There's none so blind as those who WILL NOT see

Felt the need to edit your post mista........ hope you appreciate it.

[swaledale]

Had a good night on the ale last night, Swale??

Hadn't touched a drop actually! Funny how stuff posted on here is taken seriously by some, as if anything posted on this thread will actually chnage anything! I view it as therapy like a discussion down the pub, but in the end adding up to diddly squat!

It is revealing though just how thick some people are and don't seem to realise this when they post and THEY are being serious.

Anyway I have ore work today helping companies relocate from the Uk so they can continue to thrive and prosper within the EU! Much as I am against Brexit, I can't deny that it has generated a a welcome if unexpected pre retirement bonus over the past three years.

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=mistaram;39345216]

Swales your right in all that But I can't even be bothered to argue with them anymore . There's none so blind as those who cannot see

I entirely agree Mista, with a few exceptions I don't take whats posted on here with any seriousness, coming on here makes me laugh and confirms the view that stupidity and ignorance are the commonest attributes of the human race. But it was ever the case.

[swaledale]

Brexit is a bit like someone sticking two fingers up at a window and then discovering it’s a mirror.

It is an enormous act of self harm based on an insecure delusion of what Britain was, what Britain is, and what Britain should be.

There is a long-held Little Englander optical delusion of Britain parading around like something out of the encore section of Last Night of the Proms. A place called Britain that should always rule the waves. This British identity framing is how the Britain’s Conductor-in-Chief, Boris Johnson, likes to orchestrate it.

[swaledale]

"Liberals are only interested in people who think like them."

Piers Morgan.

Jeez you do sink low in your sources for quotes! I thought the 900 asylum seekers in prison from the Express was dubious but quoting that self centered egotistical **** demonstrates just how stupid and crass you really are!

[mistaram]

Felt the need to edit your post mista........ hope you appreciate it.

MA no problem wife's always telling me I talk bolloxs Apologies for th delay I'm in Slovenia with very dodgy Wi-Fi

[MadAmster]

MA no problem wife's always telling me I talk bolloxs Apologies for th delay I'm in Slovenia with very dodgy Wife

Can't blame you. Those Slovenian girls are, most anyway, blond bombshells

[Andy_Faber]

Anyway I have ore work today helping companies relocate from the Uk so they can continue to thrive and prosper within the EU! Much as I am against Brexit, I can't deny that it has generated a a welcome if unexpected pre retirement bonus over the past three years.

So you keep telling us, it really is an unattractive trait Swale

[swaledale]

So you keep telling us, it really is an unattractive trait Swale

Thats because you don't get irony! Plus I was always getting grief for being a Remainer because it was in my interests!

But as is the case of those with a limited IQ, they don't get it! Personally I'd rather we remained in the EU for the sake of future generations, but and heres the rub, the so called "metropolitan liberal elite" who Brexiteers are fond of slagging off because they don't understand why people wanted Brexit, won't be the ones most affected by Brexit, if its a hard one or IF (still in doubt) it happens, because they have the means to avoid the effects of deregulation, they won't be impacted by cheap food flooding in due to lower standards, they won't be impacted by less employment rights, lower wages or the inevitable cuts to essential services, it will be the poorer standard bearers for Brexit who will ultimately pay the price!

Me I'm waiting to see what actually happens then deciding where to go and live, but the way things are shaping up, there is more than likely another few years of the gravy train yet, shame I'm getting paid to deprive this country of jobs, economic activity and tax income but hey don't blame me I didn;t vote for this mess!

[Manofpride]

hey don't blame me I didn;t vote for this mess!

What mess? Told you Boris was doing a great job. He's sure got the remainers worked up.

[MadAmster]

Deal? DUP don't like it and won't back it. LibDems and Labour both say it's even worse (I don't know enough detail to judge that yet) than the May deal that has already been voted down 3 times. SNP, obviously, won't back it as they represent most of the Scottish people, 62% of whom voted remain. There are 21 Tory rebels who may or may not vote with BoJo on this. Also 7 Sinn Feinn MPs who will, as always, be abstaining (NI also voted remain so they would serve their constituents better by turning up on Saturday to vote against the deal..... but they won't).

Let's have a look at the figures that make up what BoJo is facing among the 650 MPs.

Conservative 288
Labour 245
Independent 35
SNP 35
Lib Dem 19
DUP 10
IGC 5 (Independent Group for Change)
Plaid Cymru 4
Green 1
Speaker 1

Of those the 7 SF MPs won't vote and the Speaker can't so that's 642 MPs available to vote. BoJo needs (provided they all vote) 322 votes to guarantee getting his deal through. Where will those votes come from?

288 Tory MPs for a start but no guarantee all of them will vote OUT. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
21 Tory rebels? Some will, some won't. Let's be kind and have them all go with BoJo
Labour? Will some MPs surrender to the threat of it being this deal or no deal? Yes, but possibly about as many as there will be Tories who vote against BoJo.
That's about it, I think. 209 votes for the deal. 13 more required and I don't think he's going to get them.

That will mean, under the terms of the Benn Act, BoJo will have to apply for an extension to Article 50. I believe he will do just that. I think it is very likely that the EU has now gone as far as it is prepared to, amongst other reasons, to ensure that no other country decides to leave. At least one will vote against a further extension IMO as the EU won't give any more ground and that's it, the UK is out without a deal and BoJo can blame the EU. It is then down to the members of the WTO to decide if the UK may trade under the terms of the GATT deal. It takes just one to say no and then what?

Patriam non grata?

It aint over till it's over and this aint over by a long chalk. By Leave, the UK will have to start trade negotiations with the EU and the rest of the world's countries.......



The other (vague) possibility is that Parliament says yes to BoJo's deal. There then follows a 2 year status quo wherein the details of the UK/EU trade deal will be thrashed out. Once that deal is agreed and accepted by both the EU and the Commons/Lords, the terms of that deal replace the current terms.

[MadAmster]

.... and now that nice Mr Farage has said he'd rather have a delay than accept this deal.......... and je leads the Brexit Party

[swaledale]

What mess? Told you Boris was doing a great job. He's sure got the remainers worked up.

Well if having a lying, cheating, devious, philandering, incompetent posh privileged elite fantasist as Prime Minister doesn't get you worked up then one has a strange view of having some pride in the UK!

As a evidence of the fact that one cannot believe a word he says, here is his direct quote less than 12 months ago


If we wanted to do free trade deals, if we wanted to cut tariffs … if we wanted to vary our regulation then we would have to leave Northern Ireland behind as an economic semi-colony of the EU and we would be damaging the fabric of the union with regulatory checks and even customs controls between Great Britain and Northern – on top of those extra regulatory checks down the Irish Sea that are already envisaged in the withdrawal agreement.

Now I have to tell you, no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement.

Now he is putting forward a deal that is 95% of what May had negotiated, but reverts to a different regime for Northern island which in the quote above he said he wouldn't do!