OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Suggestion: Those supporting the exit are generally referred to by the noun Brexiteers (although Brexiters is gaining ground). Those against that position are referred to by the noun Remainers. Why not leave it at that and not add a further qualifications?

Absolutely spot on, ‘Amster.

Don’t understand your point at all, Andy...there is nothing whatsoever wrong or treacherous with continuing to fight your corner when you believe that something very damaging is likely to happen to your country based on the wishes of a minority of the electorate and on the basis of a campaign dominated by untruths put about by dishonest, self serving politicians.

I’m not sure if your contribution was serious but it sure as hell isn’t going to heal any ‘wounds’ and in the same ‘spirit’...
...what word WOULD you use to describe those who persistently refuse the electorate access to a second Referendum now the public is more aware and the likely consequences more clearly identified...’opportunists’ perhaps...or ‘dictators’?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I would use the word "sensible" for those who seek to deny a second referendum.

This perhaps is based on the impression that those who promoted the first one were stupid.

[ramAnag]

I would use the word "sensible" for those who seek to deny a second referendum.

This perhaps is based on the impression that those who promoted the first one were stupid.

Lol...point taken, certainly on the second point and let’s not forget...on the evidence of the last 5673 posts you too would be described as a ‘treacherous collaborator’ in certain quarters, albeit a reluctant one.

[MadAmster]

I agree that’s wrong, but what single word WOULD you use to describe someone who Perpetually refused to accept the result of a vote they freely entered Into and lost? The most appropriate one of course is ‘losers’ but that has connotations of its own. Serious question, and finding an answer to that may go some way towards healing the wounds.

Andy, why not simply call Remainers, Remainers and Brexiteers, Brexiteers?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Cavaliers and Roundhead might work, but it's been used at least twice before, firstly in the Civil War and more latterly to determine circumcision status

[Andy_Faber]

Andy, why not simply call Remainers, Remainers and Brexiteers, Brexiteers?

I agree and on the rare occasion the subject comes up away from the internet that’s exactly what I do, BUT few people seem able to limit it to that, and most of the alternatives revolve around negative stereotypes -stupid, self serving, entitled, in-denial, and others have been used even in this well-considered place in the last couple of hundred posts. Casting ordinary Joes in the same plague pit as some of the more extreme ‘major players (Farage,Swinson etc) Is also way to easy and a bit cheap. I’d love to see/listen to two or more people have ‘the discussion’ without caricaturing/stereotyping people but it doesn’t appear to be what appeals at the mo

[Geoff Parkstone]

That's just typical of you moderators....

[ramAnag]

I agree and on the rare occasion the subject comes up away from the internet that’s exactly what I do, BUT few people seem able to limit it to that, and most of the alternatives revolve around negative stereotypes -stupid, self serving, entitled, in-denial, and others have been used even in this well-considered place in the last couple of hundred posts. Casting ordinary Joes in the same plague pit as some of the more extreme ‘major players (Farage,Swinson etc) Is also way to easy and a bit cheap. I’d love to see/listen to two or more people have ‘the discussion’ without caricaturing/stereotyping people but it doesn’t appear to be what appeals at the mo

I can think of many adjectives to describe Jo Swinson - dull, disappointing and careerist amongst them - but ‘extreme’ she is not.
Blimey Andy...you’ll be calling Ken Clarke a ‘revolutionary’ next.

[Andy_Faber]

That's just typical of you moderators....

As a moderator I’m moderate, many invent controversy to get the page click count up. No need for that here we have the Brexit thread

[Andy_Faber]

I can think of many adjectives to describe Jo Swinson - dull, disappointing and careerist amongst them - but ‘extreme’ she is not.
Blimey Andy...you’ll be calling Ken Clarke a ‘revolutionary’ next.

It’s all about perspective RA, she wants to ignore the ‘will of the people’ without even letting ‘the people’ have a say. That’s borderline dictatorship

[Trickytreesreds]

It’s all about perspective RA, she wants to ignore the ‘will of the people’ without even letting ‘the people’ have a say. That’s borderline dictatorship

I concur Andy.

If Farage is a right wing extremist for his version of Brexit.
Then Swinson is as far opposite as you can get. Not only remain/but ignoring any referendum full stop.

[ramAnag]

I concur Andy.

If Farage is a right wing extremist for his version of Brexit.
Then Swinson is as far opposite as you can get. Not only remain/but ignoring any referendum full stop.

I don’t rate Swinson very highly but being the ‘opposite’ of a right wing extremist clearly doesn’t make her an extremist.

Neither does she want to ‘ignore any referendum’ and can we please stop referring to the result of the June 2016 as the ‘will of the people’ when it patently isn’t.

Swinson has consistently supported the idea of a second, better informed referendum...you might want to ask yourself who has, equally consistently, opposed it.

[Andy_Faber]

I don’t rate Swinson very highly but being the ‘opposite’ of a right wing extremist clearly doesn’t make her an extremist.

Neither does she want to ‘ignore any referendum’ and can we please stop referring to the result of the June 2016 as the ‘will of the people’ when it patently isn’t.

Swinson has consistently supported the idea of a second, better informed referendum...you might want to ask yourself who has, equally consistently, opposed it.

Sorry it’s my turn to be confused by you rather than vv, one of us must have ‘missed 60 Minutes’ As Bill Clay once said. Last time I looked she led the Lib Dem’s who’s policy is to revoke article 50 without referring to the electorate if they come to power

[ramAnag]

Sorry it’s my turn to be confused by you rather than vv, one of us must have ‘missed 60 Minutes’ As Bill Clay once said. Last time I looked she led the Lib Dem’s who’s policy is to revoke article 50 without referring to the electorate if they come to power

Take your point completely, Andy but she has also been at the forefront of the campaign for a ‘People’s Vote’.

[Andy_Faber]

Take your point completely, Andy but she has also been at the forefront of the campaign for a ‘People’s Vote’.

If I stop saying ‘will of the people’ will you stop saying ‘people’s vote’? What the **** else are referendums? Although we might get more clarity if we got our pets to vote....