OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrh, you're getting close to the crux of it now.
The mess left by Thatcher? The one who robbed me of my living? Interesting debate to be had here.

Thatcher came along why? Oh yes, the mess left by Labour if I remember correctly.
As said earlier, the country was sick to death of the way the left had destroyed this country from within.
Strikes/short working weeks/ power outages- remember them? Or wasn't you old enough?
The unions, given power seem to think they are a government in cognito. The miners brought down a Tory government. The unions destroyed the British car industry.
You talk about workers rights etc and that is exactly what unions are for. But who the hell gave them the rights to decide what happens in this country?
Just remind me again, who backs and endorses Corbyn?
The miners tried to do it again in 1984, but (sounds familiar) didn't want to do it democratically by ballot.

So it swings in roundabouts. The unions and Labour take it one way, then piss everyone off. The Tories come in, try to put it right and piss everyone off.
So people like you, with the chimpanzee in a rosette mentality, keep the cycle going.
It's never going to change then is it? Until folks start voting for what's on the table, then they'll keep making stupid promises in which to tempt me and you.
Your 13 years of Labour under Blair seemed like a new way forward. But ultimately, where did it lead us. A lying scumbag who took us to war over nothing. Left us (sorry, have to quote Jeremy Clarkson here)with a one eyed scottish idiot, who flogged all our gold for a handful of magic beans. An immigrtion policy that saw us jump from 50 000 migrants a year to 350 000 migrants a year. All on the pretext of getting more Labour voters.

As an off set. Food for thought. I'm not going to bang on about Labour shutting more pits than the Tories ever did. But both parties and others, are ramming the zero emissions down our throats every week now.
Exactly when and how would Labour/Lib dems/Greens have shut those mines in order to achieve this?
Shut them they would. No choice in the matter. The last coal powered power station is due to go out of commission in 2025.
So from screaming about the pits, Labour hasn't mentioned them for years.


I actually agree with you about tax pillages on the poor. This is the **** that an election should really be all about. But it isn't because of the Lib Dems unilateral stance on democracy and Labours stance on Hokey Cokey politics, whilst trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes.

That is what has lost Labour this election, with a woeful leader and his side kicks.

...and you have the audacity to accuse me of being insulting!

First you accuse mista - who runs his own business successfully and seems to treat his workforce exceedingly well - of having a ‘chimpanzee in a rosette mentality’ and then you have a go at Gordon Brown as a ‘one eyed Scottish idiot’ despite the fact that he was probably the most successful Chancellor in recent years and only came unstuck as PM because his period as leader coincided with the banks having to be bailed out by the public purse.

You really are an arch hypocrite Tricky. You love to try and dish it out but just lay false accusations and made up nonsense when people challenge you.

Suppose you’ll be claiming that Thatcher’s motive in closing the pits was brought about by Green concerns next and that she was actually ahead of her time.

As for Blair being a ‘lying scumbag’. Despite the good he undoubtedly did I won’t deny that he lied over Iraq however for you to refer to anyone as a ‘lying scumbag’ in comparison to the man you want as PM just beggars belief.

[ramAnag]

Throw them away, or a protest vote. The policies of both main parties are unacceptable extremes, the LibDems are pointless yet may end up holding a balance of power again thanks to at least having a policy on brexit. Green is a protest only and not likely to be influential in any way. It is a shame that one of the most important general elections in decades does not have a credible candidate.

I think history will look back on the election as a huge missed opportunity for Labour, who show themselves as indecisive (Brexit) idealistic and unrealistic (too much too soon) self destructive (toward small business and entrepreneurs in the main) and retro. With decent centre left leadership and policies, a decisive Brexit strategy and a sense of realism, they could have romped home in the election. As it is, we'll we shall see.

I just hope the outcome is a destruction of the polarisation around the extremes and Creaton of a centrist bloc. But don't hold out much of that hope

Have to sympathise with most of that, GP but isn’t ‘throwing them away’ a bit of a cop out and what form would a ‘protest vote’ take?

[Trickytreesreds]

...and you have the audacity to accuse me of being insulting!

First you accuse mista - who runs his own business successfully and seems to treat his workforce exceedingly well - of having a ‘chimpanzee in a rosette mentality’ and then you have a go at Gordon Brown as a ‘one eyed Scottish idiot’ despite the fact that he was probably the most successful Chancellor in recent years and only came unstuck as PM because his period as leader coincided with the banks having to be bailed out by the public purse.

You really are an arch hypocrite Tricky. You love to try and dish it out but just lay false accusations and made up nonsense when people challenge you.

Suppose you’ll be claiming that Thatcher’s motive in closing the pits was brought about by Green concerns next and that she was actually ahead of her time.

As for Blair being a ‘lying scumbag’. Despite the good he undoubtedly did I won’t deny that he lied over Iraq however for you to refer to anyone as a ‘lying scumbag’ in comparison to the man you want as PM just beggars belief.

It's like the twilight zone listening to you.
Mista is doing what most typical Labourites are doing at the minute. Ignoring the elephant in the room in Corbyn and his Trotsky mates, by wishing all his issues were the main focus. He isn't wrong, but there is no way the public want the most dispised opposition leader in HISTORY as the PM.

Gordon Brown was an incompetent plank. Who can forget the microphone the moron left on, in the back of the limo. The arrogant prick.
You are blaming the banks to protect him for his destrying of the piggy bank? Laughable. Who made him sell the Gold, Barclays?

I wouldn't dream of defending Thatchers motives. I said it up front if you bothered to read it crumpet toaster.
She wanted the unions busted.
No qualms about it. They would have beaten her, if they had followed democratic procedures, but couldn't be bothered to do that. So do your home work.
My point about green policy, is that those pits would still be shutting down now. FACT OR LIE?

Blair, was lying scumbag, yet you put that on a par with Johnson?
You really are a prat aren't you? Perhaps you could explain that to the families of Blairs victims?
Last time I looked Johnson , doesn't have any of that on his conscience.

You really should be a member of momentum. Your hatred of Conservatives makes you sound like a rabid dog at times.
You'll be a commisar in 5 minutes.
Good luck.

[ramAnag]

It's like the twilight zone listening to you.
Mista is doing what most typical Labourites are doing at the minute. Ignoring the elephant in the room in Corbyn and his Trotsky mates, by wishing all his issues were the main focus. He isn't wrong, but there is no way the public want the most dispised opposition leader in HISTORY as the PM.

Gordon Brown was an incompetent plank. Who can forget the microphone the moron left on, in the back of the limo. The arrogant prick.
You are blaming the banks to protect him for his destrying of the piggy bank? Laughable. Who made him sell the Gold, Barclays?

I wouldn't dream of defending Thatchers motives. I said it up front if you bothered to read it crumpet toaster.
She wanted the unions busted.
No qualms about it. They would have beaten her, if they had followed democratic procedures, but couldn't be bothered to do that. So do your home work.
My point about green policy, is that those pits would still be shutting down now. FACT OR LIE?

Blair, was lying scumbag, yet you put that on a par with Johnson?
You really are a prat aren't you? Perhaps you could explain that to the families of Blairs victims?
Last time I looked Johnson , doesn't have any of that on his conscience.

You really should be a member of momentum. Your hatred of Conservatives makes you sound like a rabid dog at times.
You'll be a commisar in 5 minutes.
Good luck.

Oh dear...someone seems to have got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
I’ll let others judge who’s throwing the strop and the insults.

Empty vessels and all that...sorry Tricky I just have so many better things to do than waste my time on someone who seems unable to construct an argument - and barely even a sentence - without resorting to abuse.

[mistaram]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrh, you're getting close to the crux of it now.
The mess left by Thatcher? The one who robbed me of my living? Interesting debate to be had here.

Thatcher came along why? Oh yes, the mess left by Labour if I remember correctly.
As said earlier, the country was sick to death of the way the left had destroyed this country from within.
Strikes/short working weeks/ power outages- remember them? Or wasn't you old enough?
The unions, given power seem to think they are a government in cognito. The miners brought down a Tory government. The unions destroyed the British car industry.
You talk about workers rights etc and that is exactly what unions are for. But who the hell gave them the rights to decide what happens in this country?
Just remind me again, who backs and endorses Corbyn?
The miners tried to do it again in 1984, but (sounds familiar) didn't want to do it democratically by ballot.

So it swings in roundabouts. The unions and Labour take it one way, then piss everyone off. The Tories come in, try to put it right and piss everyone off.
So people like you, with the chimpanzee in a rosette mentality, keep the cycle going.
It's never going to change then is it? Until folks start voting for what's on the table, then they'll keep making stupid promises in which to tempt me and you.
Your 13 years of Labour under Blair seemed like a new way forward. But ultimately, where did it lead us. A lying scumbag who took us to war over nothing. Left us (sorry, have to quote Jeremy Clarkson here)with a one eyed scottish idiot, who flogged all our gold for a handful of magic beans. An immigrtion policy that saw us jump from 50 000 migrants a year to 350 000 migrants a year. All on the pretext of getting more Labour voters.

As an off set. Food for thought. I'm not going to bang on about Labour shutting more pits than the Tories ever did. But both parties and others, are ramming the zero emissions down our throats every week now.
Exactly when and how would Labour/Lib dems/Greens have shut those mines in order to achieve this?
Shut them they would. No choice in the matter. The last coal powered power station is due to go out of commission in 2025.
So from screaming about the pits, Labour hasn't mentioned them for years.


I actually agree with you about tax pillages on the poor. This is the **** that an election should really be all about. But it isn't because of the Lib Dems unilateral stance on democracy and Labours stance on Hokey Cokey politics, whilst trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes.

That is what has lost Labour this election, with a woeful leader and his side kicks.

All that crap and still have not answered the two questions I asked you
1 Why were Labour in power for 13years
2 Why did you vote Labour
Please don't reply to my posts if you can't or won't answer a simple question

[Geoff Parkstone]

Saw the whole farce summed up well as an election between the ABJ camp and the ABC camp

[swaledale]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrh, you're getting close to the crux of it now.
The mess left by Thatcher? The one who robbed me of my living? Interesting debate to be had here.

Thatcher came along why? Oh yes, the mess left by Labour if I remember correctly.
As said earlier, the country was sick to death of the way the left had destroyed this country from within.
Strikes/short working weeks/ power outages- remember them? Or wasn't you old enough?
The unions, given power seem to think they are a government in cognito. The miners brought down a Tory government. The unions destroyed the British car industry.
You talk about workers rights etc and that is exactly what unions are for. But who the hell gave them the rights to decide what happens in this country?
Just remind me again, who backs and endorses Corbyn?
The miners tried to do it again in 1984, but (sounds familiar) didn't want to do it democratically by ballot.

So it swings in roundabouts. The unions and Labour take it one way, then piss everyone off. The Tories come in, try to put it right and piss everyone off.
So people like you, with the chimpanzee in a rosette mentality, keep the cycle going.
It's never going to change then is it? Until folks start voting for what's on the table, then they'll keep making stupid promises in which to tempt me and you.
Your 13 years of Labour under Blair seemed like a new way forward. But ultimately, where did it lead us. A lying scumbag who took us to war over nothing. Left us (sorry, have to quote Jeremy Clarkson here)with a one eyed scottish idiot, who flogged all our gold for a handful of magic beans. An immigrtion policy that saw us jump from 50 000 migrants a year to 350 000 migrants a year. All on the pretext of getting more Labour voters.

As an off set. Food for thought. I'm not going to bang on about Labour shutting more pits than the Tories ever did. But both parties and others, are ramming the zero emissions down our throats every week now.
Exactly when and how would Labour/Lib dems/Greens have shut those mines in order to achieve this?
Shut them they would. No choice in the matter. The last coal powered power station is due to go out of commission in 2025.
So from screaming about the pits, Labour hasn't mentioned them for years.


I actually agree with you about tax pillages on the poor. This is the **** that an election should really be all about. But it isn't because of the Lib Dems unilateral stance on democracy and Labours stance on Hokey Cokey politics, whilst trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes.

That is what has lost Labour this election, with a woeful leader and his side kicks.

You really are thick! Thatcher's war against the Miners and other industries, putting 100's of thousands out of work, condemning whole communities to social destruction at huge cost to the taxpayer is in no way connected to the reduction in fossil fuel use required to mitigate the effects of climate change.

Labours manifesto is a genuine radical attempt to change matters for the "ordinary person" for the many, but your so one eyed about Brexit and immigration that you favour two proven lairs who are are pursuing their own interests, albeit supported by right wing elite who have screwed the people of this country for decades.

Politics is about compromise, nobody gets everything they want or agrees with everything a politician says or does, but for ****s sake if you as a self proclaimed down trodden working class victim, can't see that Labour is the only party that at worst supports your interests then frankly you are even dumber than I thought (which is most likely true!0.

[swaledale]

All that crap and still have not answered the two questions I asked you
1 Why were Labour in power for 13years
2 Why did you vote Labour
Please don't reply to my posts if you can't or won't answer a simple question

He wont answer your question because he can't, he isn't able to articulate it. I had to laugh when he says the Tories try to put it right! What when they took power after the last Labour government and imposed austerity custs that most sane economists said was exactly the opposite of what should ahve been done. When they have repeatedly failed - last election 5,000 more Gp's, instead they recruited less than a 1,000 and pissed off Junior Doctors, cut 20,000 Police and then wonder why crime increased, call Corbyn a communist, but then accept millions in donations from Russian Oligarchs. Moan about house prices, but then introduce the homebuy scheme which inflates house prices and puts millions into the pockets of their friends in the house building industry.

[Trickytreesreds]

You really are thick! Thatcher's war against the Miners and other industries, putting 100's of thousands out of work, condemning whole communities to social destruction at huge cost to the taxpayer is in no way connected to the reduction in fossil fuel use required to mitigate the effects of climate change.

Labours manifesto is a genuine radical attempt to change matters for the "ordinary person" for the many, but your so one eyed about Brexit and immigration that you favour two proven lairs who are are pursuing their own interests, albeit supported by right wing elite who have screwed the people of this country for decades.

Politics is about compromise, nobody gets everything they want or agrees with everything a politician says or does, but for ****s sake if you as a self proclaimed down trodden working class victim, can't see that Labour is the only party that at worst supports your interests then frankly you are even dumber than I thought (which is most likely true!0.

I never said it was moron.
I was there, was you?
It was about stripping the unions of their power and stop UK relying on coal as a main energy source. It was also revenge for what was done to Ted Heath. Do you actually read anything you ignoramous?
I mentioned climate change, as to how all parties would deal with the mines now? They would have to go would they not?
I remember at the time, Norway was doing its nut over acid rain.

At least you're out the closet now Swale. I asked you many times your solutions and you wouldn't answer. You was a Corbynite all along. Never had the bottle to admit it, spineless goon.
If you took the time to read what I have said. None of them are worth it. Yet Corbyn and his posse make Labour unelectable.
How can any sane person seperate a nmanifesto from his own beliefs and antics?

IRA best friend.
CND activist
Semitic activity running rife under his watch, yet HAMAS and Hezbollah are friends
His persecution of service personell
His insults to protocol over anything British
His wild plans on spending to return everything to public sector giving Unions more clout.
He scares people. You may love him, many don't.

What compromise are you on about. I've already said where his ideals lead. I may be working class, but the short term fix he wants always leads to chaos, when strikes/unemployment/interest rates/cost of living goes up. Your claim it supports every working man, is quite frankly laughable.
They claim that anyone earning over 80k is in the top 5%. Load of bollox.
But lets be clear here. GP's etc are going to get tax clobbered. You and I are going to get clobbered trying to leave property to our kids. People owning land are going to be forced to give it up for peanuts, instead of its real estate value.
So congratulations, lets see how this pans out for the working man then.

Put a chimp in a red rosette, Swale backs it.

Thicky thicky thick thick

[Trickytreesreds]

All that crap and still have not answered the two questions I asked you
1 Why were Labour in power for 13years
2 Why did you vote Labour
Please don't reply to my posts if you can't or won't answer a simple question

Because the Connservatives were a poor alternative.
New Labour seemed to be a breath of fresh air. Though it now seems that Blairs boys were closet Tories after all, or didn't you realise that? It's why Corbyn went on his Stalin purge. He drove loads of them out for his lefty ideals.
I voted for Lib dems in 2010 till NC came out with the whopper of the century of broken promises.

I told you, I look at every party at the time of a vote. It's about what suits an individual at the time. I had voted for Blair, but eventually came to hate him for what he did. He should answer for those crimes.
I voted UKIP because I wanted a vote. This put the willies up Cameron enough to give one. Like a trusting fool, I listened to May and her promises. She failed.
But in the same stance so did Liberals and Labour. They promised to adhere to that referendum.
I was going to vote Brexit party, but now have to tactically vote Tory.
Next election, with Brexit gone we can get back to the nitty gritty.

You are all doing the same with this as you have with the Brexit vote. Ignoring why folks are pissed off.
This election IS about Brexit, no matter how many manifesto's get banded about.
It's all politicians own fault.
You reap what you sow.

Now you tell me, why do you keep voting Labour, when I have just said they lie as much as any of the others?

[mistaram]

Because the Connservatives were a poor alternative.
New Labour seemed to be a breath of fresh air. Though it now seems that Blairs boys were closet Tories after all, or didn't you realise that? It's why Corbyn went on his Stalin purge. He drove loads of them out for his lefty ideals.
I voted for Lib dems in 2010 till NC came out with the whopper of the century of broken promises.

I told you, I look at every party at the time of a vote. It's about what suits an individual at the time. I had voted for Blair, but eventually came to hate him for what he did. He should answer for those crimes.
I voted UKIP because I wanted a vote. This put the willies up Cameron enough to give one. Like a trusting fool, I listened to May and her promises. She failed.
But in the same stance so did Liberals and Labour. They promised to adhere to that referendum.
I was going to vote Brexit party, but now have to tactically vote Tory.
Next election, with Brexit gone we can get back to the nitty gritty.

You are all doing the same with this as you have with the Brexit vote. Ignoring why folks are pissed off.
This election IS about Brexit, no matter how many manifesto's get banded about.
It's all politicians own fault.
You reap what you sow.

Now you tell me, why do you keep voting Labour, when I have just said they lie as much as any of the others?

Don't recall ever saying I vote Labour and go through all my posts on here ,for the last three years and show me where I've ever mentioned Cornyn ,never mind praise him If you want to vote for an unstable, cheating ,lying, fool like Johnson that's your choice

[mistaram]

I never said it was moron.
I was there, was you?
It was about stripping the unions of their power and stop UK relying on coal as a main energy source. It was also revenge for what was done to Ted Heath. Do you actually read anything you ignoramous?
I mentioned climate change, as to how all parties would deal with the mines now? They would have to go would they not?
I remember at the time, Norway was doing its nut over acid rain.

At least you're out the closet now Swale. I asked you many times your solutions and you wouldn't answer. You was a Corbynite all along. Never had the bottle to admit it, spineless goon.
If you took the time to read what I have said. None of them are worth it. Yet Corbyn and his posse make Labour unelectable.
How can any sane person seperate a nmanifesto from his own beliefs and antics?

IRA best friend.
CND activist
Semitic activity running rife under his watch, yet HAMAS and Hezbollah are friends
His persecution of service personell
His insults to protocol over anything British
His wild plans on spending to return everything to public sector giving Unions more clout.
He scares people. You may love him, many don't.

What compromise are you on about. I've already said where his ideals lead. I may be working class, but the short term fix he wants always leads to chaos, when strikes/unemployment/interest rates/cost of living goes up. Your claim it supports every working man, is quite frankly laughable.
They claim that anyone earning over 80k is in the top 5%. Load of bollox.
But lets be clear here. GP's etc are going to get tax clobbered. You and I are going to get clobbered trying to leave property to our kids. People owning land are going to be forced to give it up for peanuts, instead of its real estate value.
So congratulations, lets see how this pans out for the working man then.

Put a chimp in a red rosette, Swale backs it.

Thicky thicky thick thick

Let's see how this pans out for the working man
Even though you say Corbyn is unelectable Make you mind up Muppet

[swaledale]

I never said it was moron.
I was there, was you?
It was about stripping the unions of their power and stop UK relying on coal as a main energy source. It was also revenge for what was done to Ted Heath. Do you actually read anything you ignoramous?
I mentioned climate change, as to how all parties would deal with the mines now? They would have to go would they not?
I remember at the time, Norway was doing its nut over acid rain.

At least you're out the closet now Swale. I asked you many times your solutions and you wouldn't answer. You was a Corbynite all along. Never had the bottle to admit it, spineless goon.
If you took the time to read what I have said. None of them are worth it. Yet Corbyn and his posse make Labour unelectable.
How can any sane person seperate a nmanifesto from his own beliefs and antics?

IRA best friend.
CND activist
Semitic activity running rife under his watch, yet HAMAS and Hezbollah are friends
His persecution of service personell
His insults to protocol over anything British
His wild plans on spending to return everything to public sector giving Unions more clout.
He scares people. You may love him, many don't.

What compromise are you on about. I've already said where his ideals lead. I may be working class, but the short term fix he wants always leads to chaos, when strikes/unemployment/interest rates/cost of living goes up. Your claim it supports every working man, is quite frankly laughable.
They claim that anyone earning over 80k is in the top 5%. Load of bollox.
But lets be clear here. GP's etc are going to get tax clobbered. You and I are going to get clobbered trying to leave property to our kids. People owning land are going to be forced to give it up for peanuts, instead of its real estate value.
So congratulations, lets see how this pans out for the working man then.

Put a chimp in a red rosette, Swale backs it.

Thicky thicky thick thick

Oh you really are a complete and utter ****! Its utterly pointless debating with you, because your so easily fooled by the right wing pres, lets face anyone who quotes the express as facts is completely brain dead!

I earn a good deal more than £80K and don't begrudge the tax i pay, why? because I know that a decent society relies on paying for services. If you actually bother to read the details of Labour policy then you'd know that GP's aint going to be tax clobbered, but they might just work in a service with better funding and conditions.

As per usual you swallow the bull**** put out by a right wing media, funnily enough owned by rich ex pat billionaires who know that many average working people are stupid enough to swallow it, then wonder why they continue to be ripped off and exploited! **** me you couldn't make what you say up, yet you do, despite being told on here what an absolute **** you are nd despite countless times being asked to explain the facts that lie behind your loony ravings!

No I am not a Corbynite, neither am I a Labour member, but I do recognise that Farage and Johnson are the front for very rich people who certainly do not have yours and my interests at heart.


As for you, well sonny go back and play with your lego, as you clearly do not have the intelligence to work out reality in life.

What a sad misogynist bigoted **** you are.

[MadAmster]

Got to go with the red dog here, I mean, who the hell wants 100,000 council houses a year being built? Who the hell wants thousands of affordable starter homes being built? Who wants the NHS still free at the point of contact? Free prescriptions, stupid idea. No tuition fees? What!!?? Free dental checks? Can't wait for BoJO to get his teeth into that dumb idea. Free personal care for the elderly? Why should they get pampered? etc etc etc.

Tricky, How many of the above would you turn down?

BTW - Scotland already has the above plus they own Scottish Water, free parking in Scottish NHS hospital car parks, has created an Investment Bank.............. and all of that despite giving 62 billion last year in taxes to Westminster and only getting 36 billion back.... Now the UN has accepted the Arbroath Declaration that independence is another step closer and then England will be in deep sh*t.

[swaledale]

Got to go with the red dog here, I mean, who the hell wants 100,000 council houses a year being built? Who the hell wants thousands of affordable starter homes being built? Who wants the NHS still free at the point of contact? Free prescriptions, stupid idea. No tuition fees? What!!?? Free dental checks? Can't wait for BoJO to get his teeth into that dumb idea. Free personal care for the elderly? Why should they get pampered? etc etc etc.

Tricky, How many of the above would you turn down?

BTW - Scotland already has the above plus they own Scottish Water, free parking in Scottish NHS hospital car parks, has created an Investment Bank.............. and all of that despite giving 62 billion last year in taxes to Westminster and only getting 36 billion back.... Now the UN has accepted the Arbroath Declaration that independence is another step closer and then England will be in deep sh*t.

In a nutshell one is voting either for a kick in the nuts or the firing squad! Not really a tough choice is it? Still if people are daft enough to vote for the firing squad then hey ho they will deserve all they get and it wont be pretty!