OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

Got to go with the red dog here, I mean, who the hell wants 100,000 council houses a year being built? Who the hell wants thousands of affordable starter homes being built? Who wants the NHS still free at the point of contact? Free prescriptions, stupid idea. No tuition fees? What!!?? Free dental checks? Can't wait for BoJO to get his teeth into that dumb idea. Free personal care for the elderly? Why should they get pampered? etc etc etc.

Tricky, How many of the above would you turn down?

BTW - Scotland already has the above plus they own Scottish Water, free parking in Scottish NHS hospital car parks, has created an Investment Bank.............. and all of that despite giving 62 billion last year in taxes to Westminster and only getting 36 billion back.... Now the UN has accepted the Arbroath Declaration that independence is another step closer and then England will be in deep sh*t.

In a nutshell one is voting either for a kick in the nuts or the firing squad! Not really a tough choice is it? Still if people are daft enough to vote for the firing squad then hey ho they will deserve all they get and it wont be pretty!

[MadAmster]

In a nutshell one is voting either for a kick in the nuts or the firing squad! Not really a tough choice is it? Still if people are daft enough to vote for the firing squad then hey ho they will deserve all they get and it wont be pretty!

We're probably not a million miles apart Swale. Entrepreneurs create jobs and ought to be allowed to make money. They should also expect to pay reasonable tax on those profits. There is a middle ground and that is where we should, IMO, be situated. I find it disgusting that some companies are making hundreds of millions and more profit but only paying twopence halfpenny (figuratively speaking) in tax on that. Countries SHOULD be run for the many, not the few. Tories go too far in favour of the "1%" and Labour are saying they will give away far too much in a short space of time. They would be more credible if they said "this is what we want to achieve over the next 20/30 years but in the course of the next Parliament we can reasinably expect and afford to do 20% of it".

Why do oliticians refuse to be realistic come election time and why do they never, ever (almost anyway) answer the question asked? IMO if a politician started a new party, put out realistic policies and answered questions that were asked as opposed to the ones they would have liked to have asked, that politician and his party would walk the election. Closest to that at the moment is Sturgeon and she will never ever be PM.

[mistaram]

In a nutshell one is voting either for a kick in the nuts or the firing squad! Not really a tough choice is it? Still if people are daft enough to vote for the firing squad then hey ho they will deserve all they get and it wont be pretty!

Swales I'm afraid it will be the firing suad, what a sad choice we have to pick from Afraid about 80% of voters have not got a clue what they are are voting for But as you always say it's them at the bottom who will suffer.I'm just hoping it is a hung parliament and it drags on again But in reality i think Johnson will get his majority that coward Farage has seen to that

[Trickytreesreds]

Swales I'm afraid it will be the firing suad, what a sad choice we have to pick from Afraid about 80% of voters have not got a clue what they are are voting for But as you always say it's them at the bottom who will suffer.I'm just hoping it is a hung parliament and it drags on again But in reality i think Johnson will get his majority that coward Farage has seen to that

Yep, round and round we go.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/17/liam-byrne-note-successor

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think I'll take the firing squad before JC hikes up inheritance tax rates making even dying an uneconomic option for most homeowners!

[ramAnag]

Yep, round and round we go.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...note-successor

...and why was there no money left? Because of the banking crisis/credit crunch which began in the USA in 2007 and spread over here in 2008.
That of course coincided perfectly with Gordon Brown becoming PM, but unless the ‘one eyed Scottish idiot’ - as you unkindly and irrelevantly described him last week - had huge and unprecedented power over the Global Banking establishments...how was that Labour’s fault?
More to the point...you choose to forget that Blair and Brown oversaw huge improvements in our hospitals and schools which have completely stagnated since 2010 and to ignore that the very article you quote, describes how Reginald Maudling left a note of much the same tone when Callaghan took over, so it isn’t just Labour that leaves a mess is it?

They may be far from perfect but at least Labour, the Scots and the Liberals have the interests of ordinary people at heart. What do Johnson and Rees-Mogg know about them? I agree 100% with the points made by MA, mista and Swale above.

[Manofpride]

The ordinary people voted to leave but here we still are!

[Geoff Parkstone]

The ordinary people voted to leave but here we still are!

Ah but those people are not ordinary enough if they are Brexiteers. Their requirements are not important to remainers who pre select their chosen beneficiaries of class warfare 🤔😉

[ramAnag]

The ordinary people voted to leave but here we still are!

How do you work that out? The Leave vote was an unholy alliance of the dispossessed, the left behind, those with genuine concerns, the bigoted, the gullible and those representing the organised right who orchestrated the whole shambles to further their own political ambitions.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Like I say (get back in the box, Richard), not ordinary enough for selective ordinariness

[mistaram]

Yep, round and round we go.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...note-successor

So can you tell us what part of " It was a joke"don't you understand Or are you that twisted you have look something up from nine years ago You seriously need a hobby ,try doing something with your life ,plenty of charitable causes need help . You seriously need something to occupy your mind Why not go on line and count all the lies Johnson and Cummings have said in the last seven days That should keep you busy for a few hours

[mistaram]

...and why was there no money left? Because of the banking crisis/credit crunch which began in the USA in 2007 and spread over here in 2008.
That of course coincided perfectly with Gordon Brown becoming PM, but unless the ‘one eyed Scottish idiot’ - as you unkindly and irrelevantly described him last week - had huge and unprecedented power over the Global Banking establishments...how was that Labour’s fault?
More to the point...you choose to forget that Blair and Brown oversaw huge improvements in our hospitals and schools which have completely stagnated since 2010 and to ignore that the very article you quote, describes how Reginald Maudling left a note of much the same tone when Callaghan took over, so it isn’t just Labour that leaves a mess is it?

They may be far from perfect but at least Labour, the Scots and the Liberals have the interests of ordinary people at heart. What do Johnson and Rees-Mogg know about them? I agree 100% with the points made by MA, mista and Swale above.

RA don't waste your time with him He doesn't understand what a world banking crisis started by Lehman Brothers crashing was It doesn't suit his right wing philosophy to admit to one

[ramAnag]

Ah but those people are not ordinary enough if they are Brexiteers. Their requirements are not important to remainers who pre select their chosen beneficiaries of class warfare ����

It’s not really ‘class warfare’ any more imo, GP.

When the likes of Rees-Mogg behave the way they do one might be forgiven for thinking so, but really it’s about the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’ and the morality of allowing that situation to continue, both nationally and globally, imo.

Morality aside for a moment, something has to change. People nowadays are so much more aware of ‘how the other half lives’ and while I share your belief that people should earn their way in the world I don’t believe the Johnsons and Rees-Moggs have done that anymore than those you’d probably pillory at the other end of the spectrum...on the poverty **** shows such as ‘Benefit Street’.

As for how Brexit relates to all this, I believe Brexit and the ‘Leave’ mentality to represent the politics of selfishness.
Ultimately the Leavers seem to represent a ‘let’s go it alone...screw Europe and the rest of the world...we’re alright Jack’ type attitude.
Not only is that, imo, a huge political miscalculation, it is also morally deplorable.

If Swale with his £80k double plus annual income, mista with his own business and all that that entails and of course not forgetting the ‘rich and privileged’ such as myself (according to Tricky’s made up nonsense which is - as ever - a million miles from the truth) aren’t afraid of a more left leaning possibly more highly taxed and more equitable society with better public services then why should others be?

[MadAmster]

Corbyn spoke to the CBI yesterday. Talked about improving services etc etc. Talked about plugging the loopholes that allow tax dodging by large companies and the very rich individuals. Talked about not seeing anything wrong in large businesses paying their proper amount of taxes in the vary way smaller businesses do.

Not much to argue with there IMO.

[Geoff Parkstone]

It’s not really ‘class warfare’ any more imo, GP.

When the likes of Rees-Mogg behave the way they do one might be forgiven for thinking so, but really it’s about the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’ and the morality of allowing that situation to continue, both nationally and globally, imo.

Morality aside for a moment, something has to change. People nowadays are so much more aware of ‘how the other half lives’ and while I share your belief that people should earn their way in the world I don’t believe the Johnsons and Rees-Moggs have done that anymore than those you’d probably pillory at the other end of the spectrum...on the poverty **** shows such as ‘Benefit Street’.

As for how Brexit relates to all this, I believe Brexit and the ‘Leave’ mentality to represent the politics of selfishness.
Ultimately the Leavers seem to represent a ‘let’s go it alone...screw Europe and the rest of the world...we’re alright Jack’ type attitude.
Not only is that, imo, a huge political miscalculation, it is also morally deplorable.

If Swale with his £80k double plus annual income, mista with his own business and all that that entails and of course not forgetting the ‘rich and privileged’ such as myself (according to Tricky’s made up nonsense which is - as ever - a million miles from the truth) aren’t afraid of a more left leaning possibly more highly taxed and more equitable society with better public services then why should others be?

Because history has shown that public services do not improve as taxes go up. If they did, I would not begrudge a bit more tax. But they don't. I'm not sure where the money goes, pissed up a wall or vanity projects I guess