OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Cutting down the man hours to achieve the said task is EXACTLY what we are discussing here! Your entire case was that there is that the working week could not be shortened without loss of productivity, yet you have just admitted thats not the case.

The fact you have wandered off into some fantasy world of your own and regurgitate crap you have googled is irrelevant.

Bull**** answer
No reply on meeting quota's for orders or the fact that Continental shifts (from Europe) involve 7 day/24 hr production.
You're clinging to your desk and phone world.
In some jobs you can easily accomodate a 32 hr week. In many firms, they require it's work force to put in 48 hours to meet orders.
If you believe tht shop level workers won't see a reduction in wages, you're delusional.

[swaledale]

Is it 25% better per employee? Do you have any empathy for the people that would lose their jobs?

Why is it automatic that people will lose their jobs? I don't see high unemployment issues in countries that have adopted a shorter working week. This country has undergone immense changes in work and working practices and yet we have had to recruit immigrant labour?

[MadAmster]

No worries, Boris will sort it. Things are improving already and we're not out yet!

Why did he remove the clauses from May's poor deal on Worker rights, consumer rights and environmental protection? Thus far he has refused to explain why but it's pretty obvious that the new policy he has said will come will reduce worker rights, reduce consumer rights and watch for an end to the moratorium on fracking with all the consequences of that.

He is treating the Scots as a subserviant colony rather than the equal partner in a Union that he claimed before the election. He says he got te mandate to stop Indyref2 from the election, totally ignoring the fact that his party was all but wiped out in Scotland and that International Law allows Scotland to have an independence referendum.

Why is he against it? Simply because England claims much of the export of whisky and oil as their own because it goes from Scotland to England before being exported. Take those figures away from the "English" trade figures and England is buggered.

[swaledale]

Bull**** answer
No reply on meeting quota's for orders or the fact that Continental shifts (from Europe) involve 7 day/24 hr production.
You're clinging to your desk and phone world.
In some jobs you can easily accomodate a 32 hr week. In many firms, they require it's work force to put in 48 hours to meet orders.
If you believe tht shop level workers won't see a reduction in wages, you're delusional.

Well you've ignored the fact that there are countries that manage a shorter working week and higher productivity than the UK!

I've replied on continental shifts, you just don't read anything that challenges your perspective - on a continental shift pattern, there are varying shifts, but many work a 4 day on 4 day off rota, which they like.

Actually I'm not clinging to anything, I've worked with an industry where the operatives with the help of technology reduced their working hours to 35 from 40 hours per week and increased productivity by over 30%.

It rather depends does it not on the attitude of the management and owners of the firm as to how the benefits of increased productivity are utilised? A point which I have referred to time and time again in my replies to you, that the benefits of technology have not necessarily been shared equally.

But your missing the point of the debate, that it is possible to reduce the working week - a fact which cannot be denied as other countries have managed to do it.

Yes I agree there are and always will be roles where technology has its limits in reducing human input, though in the future that may not be the case, but it does not later the fact that across many sectors it is not only possible but has in fact been achieved.

[AdiSalisbury]

Why is it automatic that people will lose their jobs? I don't see high unemployment issues in countries that have adopted a shorter working week. This country has undergone immense changes in work and working practices and yet we have had to recruit immigrant labour?

Because the whole idea is based on "without loss of pay", if people had their pay cut by 4/5, the idea might be plausible

[swaledale]

Because the whole idea is based on "without loss of pay", if people had their pay cut by 4/5, the idea might be plausible

So did wages fall when we the average working week was cut from 5.5 to 5? Were there mass redundancies? How on earth do other countries manage then, when their pay rates haven't fallen and they don't have mass unemployment?

The key is productivity and its entirely possible to increase that, in fact it has been possible (as other countries have done) to progressively reduce working hours, but of course what has happened largely is that the benefits of technology and increased productivity have by and large gone into the pockets of the rich, hence why the gap between those on average incomes and the richest in society has grown considerably.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Splendid quote with which the close this thread maybe. The problem with the whole Brexit mess is that "the remainers were obsessed with the fact that they were right, and the leavers were obsessed with the fact that they won"!

[ramAnag]

Splendid quote with which the close this thread maybe. The problem with the whole Brexit mess is that "the remainers were obsessed with the fact that they were right, and the leavers were obsessed with the fact that they won"!

But which would you prefer to be, GP? ‘Right’ or the ‘winner’?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well on the basis that you regularly declared brexiteers didn't win, then surely you'd agree remaining was not right!

[ramAnag]

Well on the basis that you regularly declared brexiteers didn't win, then surely you'd agree remaining was not right!

Fairly certain I’ve never ‘declared’ they ‘didn’t win’...just that they weren’t the ‘voice of the people’ and that the Referendum wasn’t the great exercise in democracy that the Leave camp claimed.

All academic now anyway, but I can safely say these will be my last words on the subject...this year and this decade.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I did suggest time for the thread to close - by reviving it 😊

[mistaram]

I did suggest time for the thread to close - by reviving it 😊

Can't close it for 31days and 3hrs and 5mins and open it up on Dec30th 2020 to discuss what no deal will actually mean 😄😄😄

[swaledale]

Can't close it for 31days and 3hrs and 5mins and open it up on Dec30th 2020 to discuss what no deal will actually mean ������

Brexit will define this year, despite the attempts of the lying charlatan to pretend otherwise. But its done as far as any decision is concerned so I've no more to say on the matter. May pop back in October to say "I told you so" but otherwise there will be no more from me on this thread. Let the Brexiteers enjoy whatever it is they think they have achieved.

[Manofpride]

Let the Brexiteers enjoy whatever it is they think they have achieved.

Victory and Justice!

[Manofpride]