OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[mistaram]

Brexit will define this year, despite the attempts of the lying charlatan to pretend otherwise. But its done as far as any decision is concerned so I've no more to say on the matter. May pop back in October to say "I told you so" but otherwise there will be no more from me on this thread. Let the Brexiteers enjoy whatever it is they think they have achieved.

They will be finding out way before October . But most are so gullible they won't even notice till it hits them Johnson will carry on doing what Cummings decides ( this is a man who took £220,000_ of EU subsidies for his farm in 2018 ) talk about two faced

[swaledale]

Victory and Justice!

Well I'd be interested to see how you define that, because I have a feeling that what actually happens may not be quite as you anticipate.

Anyway see you later in the year!

[Geoff Parkstone]

They will be finding out way before October . But most are so gullible they won't even notice till it hits them Johnson will carry on doing what Cummings decides ( this is a man who took £220,000_ of EU subsidies for his farm in 2018 ) talk about two faced

As will have every farmer in the UK, because the control of the necessary agricultural subsidies rests in Europe with the CAP bureaucracy. With the probable exception of the French and the Italians, who cheat the subsidy system with seeming impunity, no farmer could survive otherwise, as the world grain price is by and large lower than the cost of producing the grain.

The cheap food policy, which has been a beacon of UK government policies since 1945, only works because of these subsidies - which existed long before the Common Market slid out of the Treaty of Rom's orifice in 1958 or indeed we joined up to the organisation.

If Cummings is two faced, then so are just about every farmer in the country, the majority of whom voted leave, although some later regretted and recanted it. Without these subsidies we would produce virtually no farm commodities ourselves and have to import near 100% of our food. One of BJ's biggest challenges will be to put in place viable support payments to the industry, or it will be ****ed

[mistaram]

As will have every farmer in the UK, because the control of the necessary agricultural subsidies rests in Europe with the CAP bureaucracy. With the probable exception of the French and the Italians, who cheat the subsidy system with seeming impunity, no farmer could survive otherwise, as the world grain price is by and large lower than the cost of producing the grain.

The cheap food policy, which has been a beacon of UK government policies since 1945, only works because of these subsidies - which existed long before the Common Market slid out of the Treaty of Rom's orifice in 1958 or indeed we joined up to the organisation.

If Cummings is two faced, then so are just about every farmer in the country, the majority of whom voted leave, although some later regretted and recanted it. Without these subsidies we would produce virtually no farm commodities ourselves and have to import near 100% of our food. One of BJ's biggest challenges will be to put in place viable support payments to the industry, or it will be ****ed

Yes they voted leave because Johnson promised them the government would cover their subsidies Still say Cummings is two faced he's like Farage made a living out of hating the EU but quite happy to take every penny they can of them . But that's probably my fault for having a moral compass

[Geoff Parkstone]

It's not a question of morals. I don't like all of my clients but I'm still comfortable making money off them.

[ramAnag]

It's not a question of morals. I don't like all of my clients but I'm still comfortable making money off them.

Agreed...you liking or disliking your clients has nothing to do with morals, but you being ‘comfortable making money off them’ when or if you know they are being disingenuous certainly has.

[MadAmster]

Yes they voted leave because Johnson promised them the government would cover their subsidies Still say Cummings is two faced he's like Farage made a living out of hating the EU but quite happy to take every penny they can of them . But that's probably my fault for having a moral compass

Am I alone in thinking that Cummings has way too much power and influence paired with way to little (or no) public accountability?

[mistaram]

Am I alone in thinking that Cummings has way too much power and influence paired with way to little (or no) public accountability?

MA no your not alone he is running the country Johnson hasn't got the brains to . Cameron hit the nail on th had by describing him as a " a career psychopath " dangerous man , probably all those years he spent in Russia

[ramAnag]

Am I alone in thinking that Cummings has way too much power and influence paired with way to little (or no) public accountability?

No, you’re absolutely right and it’s very noticeable that there are no longer any howls of anguish about any ‘betrayal of democracy’ from those who support Johnson and Brexit and appear to be being led by an unelected individual with, as you say, absolutely no ‘public accountability’.

[swaledale]

No, you’re absolutely right and it’s very noticeable that there are no longer any howls of anguish about any ‘betrayal of democracy’ from those who support Johnson and Brexit and appear to be being led by an unelected individual with, as you say, absolutely no ‘public accountability’.

Seeing as 30% or so of the electorate voted the Tories in, they clearly aren't that concerned with morals, telling the truth, facts, principles and so they will get the government they deserve.

RA if we only did business with clients whose morals we agreed with we'd never work. The best one can do is avoid those acting illegally!

[ramAnag]

I can feel a roe of puns coming on about these two

RA if we only did business with clients whose morals we agreed with we'd never work. The best one can do is avoid those acting illegally!

That’s pretty much what I was implying, Swale...but GP ventured into the ‘moral’ debate and without commenting on him, or you, personally I think there are a lot of ‘fine lines’ in both your ‘industries’ where accountants especially may be helping those who can afford to contribute more to actually pay a lot less. Not suggesting there’s anything illegal there but it’s morally ‘debatable’ imo.

Not of course a world I’ve ever inhabited and it’s one I have very little knowledge of.
I have however sat through far too many case conferences where abusers - who’s alleged behaviours would shock you to the core - have ‘got off’ because some well rewarded ‘legal eagle’ in the room has ‘out manoeuvred’ social services or DCC’s own solicitors.
Such people are, imo, very capable, acting completely within the law and totally lacking the ‘moral compass’ that mista mentioned.

[mistaram]

No, you’re absolutely right and it’s very noticeable that there are no longer any howls of anguish about any ‘betrayal of democracy’ from those who support Johnson and Brexit and appear to be being led by an unelected individual with, as you say, absolutely no ‘public accountability’.

RA he will do what his agenda is ie reorganize the Home Office and all civil servants jobs ,then disappear He did that when Gove was Education Secretary he was obsessed with free schools got Gove to do it Then disappeared back to his farm for two years Best thing is he's not even a Tory party member

[swaledale]

That’s pretty much what I was implying, Swale...but GP ventured into the ‘moral’ debate and without commenting on him, or you, personally I think there are a lot of ‘fine lines’ in both your ‘industries’ where accountants especially may be helping those who can afford to contribute more to actually pay a lot less. Not suggesting there’s anything illegal there but it’s morally ‘debatable’ imo.

Not of course a world I’ve ever inhabited and it’s one I have very little knowledge of.
I have however sat through far too many case conferences where abusers - who’s alleged behaviours would shock you to the core - have ‘got off’ because some well rewarded ‘legal eagle’ in the room has ‘out manoeuvred’ social services or DCC’s own solicitors.
Such people are, imo, very capable, acting completely within the law and totally lacking the ‘moral compass’ that mista mentioned.

Don't disagree, but its not always obvious what a persons "moral compass" is, unless you no them very well and some of the worst are the most charming and polite people you would ever meet.

As for those with money being able to buy justice, it has ever been the case and indeed is getting worse, money and influence and the old boy network works to the advantage of a few and the disadvantage of many, but it seems to me that by and large the general populace don't give fig, they just want the ones with the power and influence, hence why we have the current PM!

[mistaram]

Can see Tricky having a heart attack . New Finnish PM announced yesterday that she is determined to go ahead with a four day week. Ouch !

[ramAnag]

Can see Tricky having a heart attack . New Finnish PM announced yesterday that she is determined to go ahead with a four day week. Ouch !

Lol...he’ll probably just denounce them as a bunch of ‘Communist, Corbynite, lesbian feminists’, mista...and then explode.