OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Ram59]

I disagree with a delay, because of Covid-19.

Surely, it is better for both the UK and the EU to sort out their respective recoveries, whilst properly separated. Otherwise a half in, half out UK would be possibly entitled to help and/or contribute to the EU recovery programme. This would also hinder the the UK's independent ability to sort out its own recovery programme

[Trickytreesreds]

I disagree with a delay, because of Covid-19.

Surely, it is better for both the UK and the EU to sort out their respective recoveries, whilst properly separated. Otherwise a half in, half out UK would be possibly entitled to help and/or contribute to the EU recovery programme. This would also hinder the the UK's independent ability to sort out its own recovery programme

Correct. You can hardly sort out your own recovery plan, when you still have your hands tied. That and also the fact you also have to cough up more billions to the EU master recovery plan in the empire.

No, I believe a deal will be done, but that means piling the pressure on.
We've tried the softly, nicey way with May. It got us no where but a pile of misery.
They need this sorting as well.
The EU would love an extension. It keeps their hopes alive/ money coming in/ time to cohearse the tempo their way.
Jobs are going to be at a premium soon. Our kids stand a real chance of ending up on the scrap heap unless free movement is curbed. The chancellor has just unveiled a £2 b kick start scheme for 16- 24 year olds.
Their jobless figures for youngsters around the Mediterranean has been horrendous. That's a helluvva carrot.

[Manofpride]

Ordinarilly, I may give in to that. But it's you and those like you.
We've had it all from legal challenges/protests/MP blockages/ house of Lords blockages/ demands for more votes and on and on and on.

Unless a leaver says, we need a rethink, no one will trust any of you.
Delay, delay, delay has always been a tactic and used for over 3 years.
It could have been sorted 2 years ago, but for you dummy spitters.

[mistaram]

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Don't you mean in a nutcase

[MadAmster]

The EU would love an extension. It keeps their hopes alive/ money coming in/ time to cohearse the tempo their way.

Bogof deals on funerals? What will they think of next?

[ramAnag]

Well at least Andy and Ram provided sensible, reasoned and non personal responses. I may disagree with the latter but that’s not the point.

On a slightly different note...looking at the Government’s current inability to reach agreement about something as straightforward as wearing masks in public/shops - Bumble, Gove and the Justice Secretary giving three different answers - I’m amazed anyone has confidence in them to manage something as complex as the Brexit withdrawal.

Just out of interest, MA...what are the rules on masks in Holland?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Wearing of masks should be made compulsory at all times in pubs and restaurants....

[ramAnag]

...you forgot dentists!

Mind you...I think dentists have forgotten dentists too. My March appointment which was, understandably, shifted to August has just been cancelled again. Worryingly dentists (well mine at least) originally went into ‘lockdown’ about a week before the government acted.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Same with mine - appointment deferred to november

[Geoff Parkstone]

And electric fences installed in pubs too

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-pub-installs-electric-fence-4320031

[Ram59]

An interesting time for the EU, they have got to sort out the financial rescue package for those countries most affected by covid. But the big question will be "who pays for it?"

Take Greece for example, a country already struggling financially, who would feel they coped well with covid, would not be happy to fork out for other countries who didn't.

There in lies a big issue with the EU, its great that there is a big organisation backing up individual countries in time of need, but then other countries may feel that why should they bother to keep their own house in order, only to subsidise others who don't seem to give a damn.

Ironically, if the UK does come out of Covid worse affected, then this could have been a pay back time for all of the years of net contributions we have made. No doubt, the EU would have prevented this in some way, though, maybe I'm just a bit cynical?

[ramAnag]

An interesting time for the EU, they have got to sort out the financial rescue package for those countries most affected by covid. But the big question will be "who pays for it?"

Take Greece for example, a country already struggling financially, who would feel they coped well with covid, would not be happy to fork out for other countries who didn't.

There in lies a big issue with the EU, its great that there is a big organisation backing up individual countries in time of need, but then other countries may feel that why should they bother to keep their own house in order, only to subsidise others who don't seem to give a damn.

Ironically, if the UK does come out of Covid worse affected, then this could have been a pay back time for all of the years of net contributions we have made. No doubt, the EU would have prevented this in some way, though, maybe I'm just a bit cynical?

Not sure who you’re thinking of when you say, ‘others who don’t seem to give a damn’, Ram.

We may not know as much about what goes on in other countries as ourselves, but as far as preventative measures are concerned the English don’t exactly seem to be leading the way imo.

[mistaram]

An interesting time for the EU, they have got to sort out the financial rescue package for those countries most affected by covid. But the big question will be "who pays for it?"

Take Greece for example, a country already struggling financially, who would feel they coped well with covid, would not be happy to fork out for other countries who didn't.

There in lies a big issue with the EU, its great that there is a big organisation backing up individual countries in time of need, but then other countries may feel that why should they bother to keep their own house in order, only to subsidise others who don't seem to give a damn.

Ironically, if the UK does come out of Covid worse affected, then this could have been a pay back time for all of the years of net contributions we have made. No doubt, the EU would have prevented this in some way, though, maybe I'm just a bit cynical?

RA how do you know Greece would not be happy to fork out for countries that have not After all no country has been bailed out by the EU more than Greece

[MadAmster]

I think, rA, Ram is referring to ........

Greece where very few pay tax in the first place and those that do use every loophole going to pay as little as possible. The "unfinished house" scam being one. New houses are built but never completed, they remain at 99.9% complete or thereabouts. That means they don't have to pay their version of "rates" on the property. They don't have enough tax inspectors to wade through the mountains of paper that are the tax returns. If they tried to employ enough and push through on the tax laws they have there would be riots.

Italy where they also simply don't pay taxes. It's a sort of national sport. Take the Euro, for instance. When the criteria were published for entry to the Eurozone, Italy was miles off meeting them. Come "E Day" some 18 months later and Italy qualifies comfortably thanks to some very creative accounting. Spain, Greece, Portugal and others idem ditto.

Many EU countries have a record of saying yes to everything to keep the rest happy and then only carrying out the bits they like. The rest gets ignored. Spain and France and fishing quota for one.

[Geoff Parkstone]

They say of the Greeks that the rich don't pay tax, the poor can't pay tax and those in the middle are squeezed like lemons until the juice runs down their leg. Company tax - get real. I have a handful of Greek corporate clients and not one of them is registered in Greece