OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

People, including me, don’t actually know how many ‘medium and high skilled’ jobs have been lost to the EU...tell people and change minds.

Swale can'y help you rA, at best its anecdotes, and it is a bit of a feature that you seem to lap up Swale's anecdotes and ignore others, including often mine, which give a different viewpoint. There will be winners and losers in Brexit (Swale appears to be a winner, so on balance amongst us Brexit looks like a good thing), there will be winners and losers in Covid, what everyone SHOULD be doing is 'their bit' which unfortunately is a forlorn hope

[AdiSalisbury]

Do you know what, I typed a response to this, but I can't be arsed, as know what the response to it would be.

[Andy_Faber]

Do you know what, I typed a response to this, but I can't be arsed, as know what the response to it would be.

At least you could turn your response into a song

[Geoff Parkstone]

Au contraire, Parky...it’s not a question of ‘what I wanted to hear’...I’d like to hear that Brexit will create no job losses, but that seems unlikely.

All you’ve suggested is that in your experience, and in the specific area of maritime insurance, you’ve heard of no job losses. You, quite reasonably expect those, like me, who don’t know otherwise to believe you and yet you, and one or two others, pour scorn on Swale when he speaks from the point of view of his experience.

I also didn’t ‘ask’ anything.

That's fine. I really dont give a flying **** what you chose to believe as you have returned to tail gunner mode on this point. mummy, mummy, that big boy told me..........

[mistaram]

Apologies rA, I thought from your previous post you wanted to be told about the job scenario impact of Brexit by way of examples. I guess my example was not what you wanted to hear. My example was very specific, not anecdotal and relates solely to the area I work in. if you dont want to learn about Brexit job related issues, dont ask unless you are prepared to hear something that may not suit your agenda. None so blind as those who dont want to see

So you build an example from one tiny corner of commerce that you know about .but choose to ignore the dire warnings of business leaders ,the city, the governor of the bank of England ,Even ex Tory ministers . It's not case of people not wanting to learn about Brexit job related issues Just get out into the real world Geoff and talk to the people who it is going to effect .

[ramAnag]

That's fine. I really dont give a flying **** what you chose to believe as you have returned to tail gunner mode on this point. mummy, mummy, that big boy told me..........

Calm down Parky, no need to get worked up.

I’ve actually no idea what Adi is talking about and I don’t know why you think I need Swales’ ‘help’ - or he mine, AF. Not sure what the ‘mummy, mummy’ comment means either GP...but something’s obviously led to you chucking your toys out of the pram.

My point is...Swale makes a point and it is regularly dismissed, in some quarters, as having no ‘provenance’ or it being a generalisation that cannot be proved or disproved.

I’m not disbelieving of anyone’s opinion, unless it is clearly based on prejudice and falsehood. I completely accept that AF knows infinitely more about the situation in the Balearics than I do and that GP is our resident expert on ‘maritime insurance’...what I don’t subscribe to is there appearing to be one set of rules for the accounts and suggestions of some and an altogether different set for Swale.

[Geoff Parkstone]

When Swale supports his assertions with verifiable examples, then I will give credence to them. At the moment he's like the bloke down the pub who got told by a mate that he'd heard from someone who works at.....

PS Mista - I accepted in my post that there will be Brexit job losses, but just gave an example of an industry that the doom merchants had said several years ago would be crucified by brexit but which got off its ass and sorted things out with no discernible change.

[Ram59]

So you build an example from one tiny corner of commerce that you know about .but choose to ignore the dire warnings of business leaders ,the city, the governor of the bank of England ,Even ex Tory ministers . It's not case of people not wanting to learn about Brexit job related issues Just get out into the real world Geoff and talk to the people who it is going to effect .

I think that's a pretty similar group who warned of impending doom, if we didn't take the euro..

As stated by some, there will be winners and losers, but we should have more control and a decent government should be able to take us forward.

[ramAnag]

When Swale supports his assertions with verifiable examples, then I will give credence to them. At the moment he's like the bloke down the pub who got told by a mate that he'd heard from someone who works at.....

...aren’t we all? It’s a forum. We’re nor writing dissertations with a need for a bibliography.

Most of us have areas of expertise and varying degrees of common sense, then it’s just a case of working out who’s anecdotes are worth listening to about what and giving other opinions the respect they deserve...imo!

[mistaram]

I think that's a pretty similar group who warned of impending doom, if we didn't take the euro..

As stated by some, there will be winners and losers, but we should have more control and a decent government should be able to take us forward.

Yes Ram When we have a decent government .
I've just watched a five minute video of Andrea Leadsom saying they lied about jobs being lost in the run up to the last election. Only someone with zero intelligence would believe a word that this shower tell you

[mistaram]

I think that's a pretty similar group who warned of impending doom, if we didn't take the euro..

As stated by some, there will be winners and losers, but we should have more control and a decent government should be able to take us forward.

Yes Ram You are right about the Euro good job Brown and Balls had the intelligence and foresight to to do it

[MadAmster]

Basically, it's time for a revolution. Maybe not one of the violent kind but a complete change of what the country is about, which, IMO, should be about getting a fair deal for all where everybody has a chance of "making it" in their chosen field and everybody has a reasonable chance of a half decent, full time, permanent job.

You will still have the rich and the less rich but, hopefully, there would be no, or in any case, less, poor.

IMO as long as the top 1% want ever more money and the power that brings with it and succeed in getting it, there will always be way too much poverty and hunger. Those last two need eliminating.

[ramAnag]

Yes Ram When we have a decent government .
I've just watched a five minute video of Andrea Leadsom saying they lied about jobs being lost in the run up to the last election. Only someone with zero intelligence would believe a word that this shower tell you

I’ve seen some of that too, mista.
Tbf...Leadsom is right, it was made ‘very clear’ there would be job losses...but never by the Leave Campaign.
‘Remainers’ made it clear time and time again but were nicknamed ‘Remoaners’ and told it was all just part of ‘Project Fear’.

[Trickytreesreds]

I don't know of any Brexit voter who didn't expect a down turn in the economy and job losses.
I still believe the same today, the short term loss will be put right over time.
I remember Soubry screaming screaming for frictionless trade or else.
Up to yet, there is nothing to say that won't be the case. Yet before the referendum, it WAS said time and again, as was your holiday to Europe will be a nightmare? Project fear was very real in many forms. Remember, the emergency tax/900 000 immediate job losses, rising to 3 million in a year/house prices falling through the floor? I do.

If you go to the dentist with tooth ache, do you expect a painless experience or not, knowing that it has to be done?
With corona bouncing around, I don't understand how anyone, thinks staying in the EU benefits us?
We have just escaped a huge wallet raid, that countries like Ireland are now going to have to pay.

But my opinion is only in the 52% , so doesn't count.

[mistaram]

I don't know of any Brexit voter who didn't expect a down turn in the economy and job losses.
I still believe the same today, the short term loss will be put right over time.
I remember Soubry screaming screaming for frictionless trade or else.
Up to yet, there is nothing to say that won't be the case. Yet before the referendum, it WAS said time and again, as was your holiday to Europe will be a nightmare? Project fear was very real in many forms. Remember, the emergency tax/900 000 immediate job losses, rising to 3 million in a year/house prices falling through the floor? I do.

If you go to the dentist with tooth ache, do you expect a painless experience or not, knowing that it has to be done?
With corona bouncing around, I don't understand how anyone, thinks staying in the EU benefits us?
We have just escaped a huge wallet raid, that countries like Ireland are now going to have to pay.

But my opinion is only in the 52% , so doesn't count.

Perhaps you can now tell us what we have actually achieved All the things you say about scare stories of job losses and house prices are just around the corner We are still in honeymoon in the translation period As for Soubrey and her wish for frictionless trade you obviously have never tried running a small business The changes being forced on businesses through the newly to be implementation are a mine field of money sucking registration