OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

We need Mista back to talk of fishing then! Although I'm not sure beiing sat on a wicker basket with a flask of hot Bovril really cuts to the core of EU quotas.

[Manofpride]

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And somebody thinks Farage should have a Knighthood?

Is that it, Farage shouldn't be knighted beause he knows Trump. I'm saying Farage should have been knighted for his years of hard work to get the job done and giving the majority of the people what they wanted, a true hero to millions! and don't start harping on about percentages because you lost! the majority voted leave!

Like I said before we could discuss Brexit forever but remainers and leavers will never agree. it will always be an us and them scenario.

Farage a true Brit with grit!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Setting aside political disagreement for one moment, MOP has a point. If honours are given for affecting change and getting things done, then Farage deserves recognition, like it or not.

If Lewis Hamilton can become "Sir" for driving a car round and round quickly, and latterly, having achieved such fame, clinging on to the coat tails of BLM, then Farage should be elevated to the Upper House.

Safe place for him and, as it stands, one where his influence can be restricted thus appeasing remainder objections

[swaledale]

Is that it, Farage shouldn't be knighted beause he knows Trump. I'm saying Farage should have been knighted for his years of hard work to get the job done and giving the majority of the people what they wanted, a true hero to millions! and don't start harping on about percentages because you lost! the majority voted leave!

Like I said before we could discuss Brexit forever but remainers and leavers will never agree. it will always be an us and them scenario.

Farage a true Brit with grit!

Thats kind of like saying Hitler should be feted for building the autobahn's!

One judges a person by the company he keeps! I mean Trump, Aaron banks, Steve Bannon, these people care nothing for you and me and putting it mildly have dubious morals and ethics!

The simple fact he has his head halfway up the arse of a person who is not only threat to democracy but who is a far removed from supporting the "ordinary person" as its possible to be should be enough to doubt his integrity!

Brexit for Farage was simply a vehicle for his own ambition, unfortunately he didn't achieve it, he was in effect a failure others did that for him.

So a true Brit - promotes xenophobic lies on immigration, promotes the privatisation of the NHS, acts like a complete **** when representing the country in an international setting, consorts with a guy who promotes violent far right attacks on a country's democracy.

Pockets £26K a year whilst "working hard" for other people.

Tells proven lies and falsehoods in order to get people to support him?

Changes a political party's name and aims to suit whatever hobbyhorse he is pursuing at the moment? Namely, UKIP, Brexit party, Reform UK.

In March is clamouring for a lockdown, in October launches a "party" against the lockdown!


This has absolutely nothing to do with whether one supports Brexit or not - its purely about the character of a person, his ethics, his true aims the people he mixes with and the fact that he is a complete fruitcake, self serving and interested only in his own agenda.

If you really think that such a person even deserves consideration for a Knighthood, then your standards must be very low, or your completely and utterly blind to the reality of the bloke.

But then as I've said many times before millions of German's voted Hitler into power and look how that ended!

Thankfully it seems the majority of the UK voters aren't fooled by the posh hypocritical ****!

[Ram59]

The whole system of honours is flawed, too many times, it's who you know, not what you've done.

How many Tory and other MPs are sir this our dame that, just because they've followed the party line for a few years? How many public sector workers have got awards for doing their job and getting paid for it? How many rich business people have got awards because they've been successful?

I'm all for the common folk and even well known people, who go above and beyond, in their own time, to help others.

[swaledale]

Agreeing totally with Adi on this, MU have done their members no favours and there are some very silly musicians out there who’ve let their political leanings get in the way of objectivity.

It doesn't actually change the fact that the UK Government turned down the EU's offer of a 90 day visa free tours though does it?

I mean dismissing it because of a view of certain sections of a group, doesn't actually mean that it won't cause real issues for people who earn their living by touring Europe!

How self obsessed do you have to be to dismiss something that doesn't affect you?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Thats kind of like saying Hitler should be feted for building the autobahn's!

One judges a person by the company he keeps! I mean Trump, Aaron banks, Steve Bannon, these people care nothing for you and me and putting it mildly have dubious morals and ethics!

The simple fact he has his head halfway up the arse of a person who is not only threat to democracy but who is a far removed from supporting the "ordinary person" as its possible to be should be enough to doubt his integrity!

Brexit for Farage was simply a vehicle for his own ambition, unfortunately he didn't achieve it, he was in effect a failure others did that for him.

So a true Brit - promotes xenophobic lies on immigration, promotes the privatisation of the NHS, acts like a complete **** when representing the country in an international setting, consorts with a guy who promotes violent far right attacks on a country's democracy.

Pockets £26K a year whilst "working hard" for other people.

Tells proven lies and falsehoods in order to get people to support him?

Changes a political party's name and aims to suit whatever hobbyhorse he is pursuing at the moment? Namely, UKIP, Brexit party, Reform UK.

In March is clamouring for a lockdown, in October launches a "party" against the lockdown!


This has absolutely nothing to do with whether one supports Brexit or not - its purely about the character of a person, his ethics, his true aims the people he mixes with and the fact that he is a complete fruitcake, self serving and interested only in his own agenda.

If you really think that such a person even deserves consideration for a Knighthood, then your standards must be very low, or your completely and utterly blind to the reality of the bloke.

But then as I've said many times before millions of German's voted Hitler into power and look how that ended!

Thankfully it seems the majority of the UK voters aren't fooled by the posh hypocritical ****!

Um, just to take one aspect of this stream of vitriol... "pockets 26k...."

Are you suggesting that being paid for doing something that triggers receipt of an honour debars you from that honour?

In which case Sean Connery, Elton John, Alex Fergus on etc etc, hand back your titles. Even those humble charity workers and community helpers, hand back your OBEs etc, because you were paid for doing your job

[swaledale]

The whole system of honours is flawed, too many times, it's who you know, not what you've done.

How many Tory and other MPs are sir this our dame that, just because they've followed the party line for a few years? How many public sector workers have got awards for doing their job and getting paid for it? How many rich business people have got awards because they've been successful?

I'm all for the common folk and even well known people, who go above and beyond, in their own time, to help others.

Thats one thing you and I completely agree on, honours for political donations are a scandal.

[swaledale]

Um, just to take one aspect of this stream of vitriol... "pockets 26k...."

Are you suggesting that being paid for doing something that triggers receipt of an honour debars you from that honour?

In which case Sean Connery, Elton John, Alex Fergus on etc etc, hand back your titles. Even those humble charity workers and community helpers, hand back your OBEs etc, because you were paid for doing your job

Can you not distinguish between a list of accurate and true reasons as to why a person is dubious and vitriol?

The 326k a month was a demonstration that maybe Farage isn't as altruistic as he is being made out to be! It reinforces the fact that he didn't pursue Brexit, because he believes in it, more that it provided him with an opportunity to get himself in the public eye, earn a few quid and cosy up to some pretty dubious rich people.

[swaledale]

The City of London had a taste of the fruits of Brexit this week – and it was not pleasant.

On 4 January – the first trading day of 2021 – billions of euros of business left the UK for the European Union. Some €5bn of trading in shares ranging from French banks to German car companies departed London and reappeared in financial centres in mainland Europe such as Paris and Amsterdam.

The shift was a direct consequence of EU financial regulations that stipulate that trading in EU companies (such as Volkswagen, Airbus and BNP Paribas) when it is done by EU firms, must be transacted within the bloc.

And Aquis Exchange stresses that this business will not be returning.

“We think it’s very, very, unlikely that Europe having just got its trading back would let it go again,” Belinda Keheyan, head of marketing at Aquis, told The Independent.

Some have spoken of a breakthrough “deal” on financial services between the UK and the EU.

Yet financial industry sources say this rhetoric is unrealistic.

“This is about an MOU which has very little force in law – they are generally about two countries agreeing the rules of engagement and how they plan to interact with each other,” said one.


Broadly speaking, the most the City can aspire to now is “equivalence” for domestic UK financial regulation from the European authorities, which would allow EU firms to continue their usual operations in the UK.

The EU has equivalence deals for some areas of financial services with Switzerland, the US and Japan, so it would seem reasonable for the UK to expect similar.

Yet the problem with equivalence is that it is inherently precarious.

Under EU law, equivalence can be unilaterally withdrawn by Continental regulators with just 30 days’ notice.

This is not a purely hypothetical danger. Brussels deliberately allowed equivalence for Switzerland to lapse last year, preventing EU firms trading on the Swiss stock exchange.

British financial firms warn this threat is like a “sword of Damocles” permanently hanging over them, which will deter investment and hiring in the UK.

“We’ve sacrificed financial services for a bunch of fish,” laments one.

[AdiSalisbury]

I’m sure you and Adi are better equipped to talk about this than me...but if your way of life/means of income is directly impacted upon by Brexit then why was it ‘very silly’ to oppose it?
After all, we’ve heard enough from fisherman, who represent a minuscule part of our economy, in support of Brexit...didn’t hear either of you complain about that.

The issue isn't the visas, it's the transport of instruments that the pressure group should have focused on. Instead they stirred up anti Brexit emotions in an effort to increase membership, and have as such failed their members - which is a shame as they otherwise are a league above most unions in terms of positive activity.

Very few make an income from travelling Europe, the few that do tend to be millionaire's or tribute acts, both of which can cover the costs in their pricing without anyone really noticing (have you seen how much a concert ticket is these days?!). A friend of mine who I often provide services for has number 1s abroad, every tour was basically a discounted holiday, never considered income. Most professional musicians work within their own country- if you want a session drummer, you're hardly going to get an Estonian in when there's a local person available. If you do need a specialist from abroad, the tracks are recorded remotely, there's no need to travel.

The MU has benefited massively from Brexit.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Can you not distinguish between a list of accurate and true reasons as to why a person is dubious and vitriol?

The 326k a month was a demonstration that maybe Farage isn't as altruistic as he is being made out to be! It reinforces the fact that he didn't pursue Brexit, because he believes in it, more that it provided him with an opportunity to get himself in the public eye, earn a few quid and cosy up to some pretty dubious rich people.

So it's now gone up from 26k a year to 326k a month when you wish to demonstrate the accuracy and truth of your argument?

I can forgive one as maybe being a typo, but both? When you claim to present a list of accurate and truthful assertions, it helps if the are.

But even 326k a month dwarves when considering the altruism of Sir Lewis Hamilton presently negotiating o 40 million annual contract with Mercedes I understand

[swaledale]

So it's now gone up from 26k a year to 326k a month when you wish to demonstrate the accuracy and truth of your argument?

I can forgive one as maybe being a typo, but both? When you claim to present a list of accurate and truthful assertions, it helps if the are.

But even 326k a month dwarves when considering the altruism of Sir Lewis Hamilton presently negotiating o 40 million annual contract with Mercedes I understand

If you look back through my posts you will see that I have consistently quoted £26k a month, so mea culpa, I mistyped something, but I guess it helps to be a pedant when your desperately trying to find a chink in what I'm saying.

[ramAnag]

Once again you only see the negative. Firstly, and I will only talk about the niche I have a strong knowledge of,
maybe 90% of the musicians and support teams would never travel beyond U.K. so it’s not relevant. Secondly, again my genre only, there’s more IMPORT of live music than EXPORT, so any reduction in traffic will be to U.K. musicians benefit. Thirdly there’s a vocal cohort whinging about the situation but (as usual, you may have heard this phrase before) a silent majority who will just fill in the forms and get on with it - and having seen some of the ‘it’, it ranges from a few ticks on a webpage to some nuisance paperwork, BUT please believe me the worst I’ve seen is a tenth as difficult as US requirements.

Regarding fishing, I’ve not commented a lot because I don’t know the deep detail. Maybe if we only posted when we did know such, it would shut a lot of us up a bit but that’s a forlorn hope

Bit grumpy, AF. I’m not ‘only seeing the negative’ at all. I asked a question...why describe musicians in the MU as ‘very silly’ for taking an anti Brexit stance?
Maybe if we all only posted when we know the ‘deep detail’ there wouldn’t be a forum at all...and there certainly wouldn’t have been a Referendum.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Frankly I don't have the time or desire to backtrack through all your past posts to see which figure you quote in a given post is correct and whether it agrees to other ones.

You state your posts are accurate and true. In two consecutive posts you cite totally different figures.

Call me a pedant if you wish, but if you want people to believe you, try to get the figures right at least once. It now seems you meant a third different figure and neither of the previous two.

Does this mean all your other accurate and true observations are equally flawed and that we need to trawl back through 100s of posts to check?