OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[AdiSalisbury]

I put you on ignore weeks ago, so I don't know anything you type.

I think that's how the blocking works,
As the Oirish would say, eeeeeeeeeeeeeejit

I've got him on ignore, removes the temptation to wind him up. That combined with the football stickies makes much more enjoyable reading.

[swaledale]

I've got him on ignore, removes the temptation to wind him up. That combined with the football stickies makes much more enjoyable reading.

Except nothing you post winds me up, it just makes me howl with laughter!

[swaledale]

More Brexit irony, one of the stated aims of Brexit was to avoid unelected officials having a say in Uk government, then the Tories appoint "Lord" Frost to a cabinet post, despite not being an elected politician!

[Andy_Faber]

More Brexit irony, one of the stated aims of Brexit was to avoid unelected officials having a say in Uk government, then the Tories appoint "Lord" Frost to a cabinet post, despite not being an elected politician!

As usual you miss the point, unlike EU the UK administration that appointed him CAN be removed if the plebs don't like it. IMO not going to happen this side of a human Mars landing but the opportunity's there

[ramAnag]

So unelected Cummings leads the original Brexit negotiations, and now equally unelected Lord Frost (of Allenton no less) joins the Cabinet...and you think Swale has missed the point?

[swaledale]

As usual you miss the point, unlike EU the UK administration that appointed him CAN be removed if the plebs don't like it. IMO not going to happen this side of a human Mars landing but the opportunity's there

Haven't missed any point, Frost was not elected by anybody to hold a cabinet post, sure we can in a few years remove the administration, but in the meantime an unelected person is in government and making crucial decisions impacting on a lot of the "plebs2.

Also the EU politicians are elected, the fact that the electorate didn't seem to understand or care about the EU elections merely shows that the original premise of the Brexiteers (as with most of their rother arguments wasn't valid).

[Andy_Faber]

So unelected Cummings leads the original Brexit negotiations, and now equally unelected Lord Frost (of Allenton no less) joins the Cabinet...and you think Swale has missed the point?

Yes, his original point was about the ability of an electorate to remove an administration not about the ability of an administration to appoint unelected officers

[Trickytreesreds]

Yes, his original point was about the ability of an electorate to remove an administration not about the ability of an administration to appoint unelected officers

Just let it go Andy, the crying will never stop.
I saw a survey a few days ago, saying support for rejoining was down to 40%.
Though most polls are tosh, IMO the overall feeling is still glad we are out.
The lying from the EU continues, just yesterday Charles Michel had to retract his outrageous comment that the UK was banning vaccines for export.
First AZ vaccine is rubbish and doesn't work/then they want it and invoke article 16 out of spite/ then they change regulation to try and stop exports. It just goes on and on and folks take notice of this.

So Swales veiled attempt to claim we do what what the EU does democratically is bull. Who ever the government employs, is only in the job as long as the government hangs in there. Try shifting an unelected EU bureaucrat if you can.

[MadAmster]

Just throwing my twopennyworth in there.......... The EU Commission is appointed by the EU Parliament, just like Frosty has been appointed by BoJo.

[ramAnag]

Yes, his original point was about the ability of an electorate to remove an administration not about the ability of an administration to appoint unelected officers

But wasn’t one of the cornerstones of the Brexiteers’ argument that they didn’t like being ‘governed’ by an unelected ‘elite’?

[Andy_Faber]

But wasn’t one of the cornerstones of the Brexiteers’ argument that they didn’t like being ‘governed’ by an unelected ‘elite’?

To be honest ‘they’ just didn’t want to be governed by foreigners, although having been around our swan sandwich munching hearty guffawing ‘elite’ a few times over the years I personally wonder who are more ‘foreign’ in compatibility with the man in the street, foreigners or the elite

[Geoff Parkstone]

Just throwing my twopennyworth in there.......... The EU Commission is appointed by the EU Parliament, just like Frosty has been appointed by BoJo.

In point of fact the European Parliament only appoints the Commission President. The remaining 26 EU Commissioners are both nominated by and appointed by the European Council, after a degree of intermediate vetting by the European Parliament.

But the bigger difference surely lies in the fact that all 27 members of the Commission elite are appointed, whereas just one member (out of 23) of the cabinet is an appointee. Said non elected member is also governed by the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility and thus the chances of rogue action must be minimal since his elected colleagues must publicly support any decisions, even if a few privately dissent, and thus their positions are at the direct mercy of the electorate next vote round.

[Geoff Parkstone]

last time round the EU parliament rejected 3 of Ursula's planned team of commissioners during the vetting process, so it does do something and there are some signs of involvement by an elected body!

[ramAnag]

To be honest ‘they’ just didn’t want to be governed by foreigners, although having been around our swan sandwich munching hearty guffawing ‘elite’ a few times over the years I personally wonder who are more ‘foreign’ in compatibility with the man in the street, foreigners or the elite

I don’t disagree with any of that...but the point remains...the Brexiteers didn’t want exactly what they are now getting, Government by unelected bureaucrat, albeit one from Allenton via Nottingham, rather than Brussels.

As a point of local interest, Brexit also seems to have totally screwed up the Derbyshire Stilton (based in Harrington and Pikehall) industry too.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Derbyshire Stilton? Disgraceful - I though Stilton had DOC protection under the EU so, by losing the protection, it was going to help diverse production and use of the name elsewhere. We will be having Sage Leicester next