OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think you need to reread my post 7542 - it is the haves and the wants that are hindering effective action against global warming. which I believe shows a contempt for the wealthy and the politically ambitious as regards their perspective on global warming.

As regards poverty and famine, you are correct, it will be survival of the fittest, especially when we start food wars after oil wars are consigned to history. If you have a rabbit hutch with 10 rabbits in it, and you have only one lettuce, what do you think is going to happen? Will the rabbits have 2 leaves each and all slowly starve, or will the biggest rabbit take 5 and let several of the others die quickly? If you think the former, then maybe re-read the second half of Animal Farm again!

[ramAnag]

I think you need to reread my post 7542 - it is the haves and the wants that are hindering effective action against global warming. which I believe shows a contempt for the wealthy and the politically ambitious as regards their perspective on global warming.

As regards poverty and famine, you are correct, it will be survival of the fittest, especially when we start food wars after oil wars are consigned to history. If you have a rabbit hutch with 10 rabbits in it, and you have only one lettuce, what do you think is going to happen? Will the rabbits have 2 leaves each and all slowly starve, or will the biggest rabbit take 5 and let several of the others die quickly? If you think the former, then maybe re-read the second half of Animal Farm again!

Okay...this feels like it’s just turned into the idealist being stalked by the iconoclast. It’s going nowhere and has nothing to do with the thread title...so let’s just agree to differ.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I really don't see this as stalking, but if that's your get out f jail free card, then fine. Yes it is a pragmatist trying to burst balloons of idealism.

As a long standing Irish friend of mine would say "you talk a good f XXX"

[Trickytreesreds]

You do seem obsessed with us doing more than anyone else, Tricky. It’s a recurrent theme.
I don’t deny that I’m being idealistic, but I’m really not expecting us to do more than others...that’s not and never has been my point.

You and GP are probably right, I know that...and yes we’ll probably continue, as both a world and a nation, on the road to ruin because the majority - as exemplified by the majority and the two of you - will dismiss the alternative as being nothing more than idealistic, head in the clouds claptrap.

I wouldn't say obsessed RA, I am and always will be, my closest first.
That probably puts me, in GP's bracket of things, but i can't help that.
I do agree with the population thing though and it has been raised before. the poorer countries just keep on breeding, where as in the west we seem to have adopted a smaller family mentality, based on what is comfortable.
I know it sounds like I'm picking on you, I'm not honest.
Your way would be wonderful, but I just can't see past the more you do, the more the greed kicks in from all angles.

[ramAnag]

I really don't see this as stalking, but if that's your get out f jail free card, then fine. Yes it is a pragmatist trying to burst balloons of idealism.

As a long standing Irish friend of mine would say "you talk a good f XXX"

Fair enough...it’s not a ‘get out of gaol free’ card, it just feels as if it’s going nowhere. You’re right about my ‘idealism’. In this situation I’ve accepted that more times than I care to remember...but where does your ‘pragmatism’ lead? We’re all *****d so let’s change nothing and keep on making the same stupid mistakes. How helpful is that?

[ramAnag]

I wouldn't say obsessed RA, I am and always will be, my closest first.
That probably puts me, in GP's bracket of things, but i can't help that.
I do agree with the population thing though and it has been raised before. the poorer countries just keep on breeding, where as in the west we seem to have adopted a smaller family mentality, based on what is comfortable.
I know it sounds like I'm picking on you, I'm not honest.
Your way would be wonderful, but I just can't see past the more you do, the more the greed kicks in from all angles.

Tricky...it doesn’t feel as if you’re ‘picking on me’ and I’ve got broad enough shoulders not to worry if you were, so don’t bother about that.
It’s just a different perspective.
I don’t know how to get past the ‘greed’ kicking in either...as for the population thing. A classic example of how education - not of the evangelical religious variety - and properly targeted resources provided and supplied by the wealthier world could help.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Both extremes are as useless as each other. We need joined up thinking that everyone can buy into, we have to accept that will come at a cost. we have to accept that those with least will remain that way, that there will be casualties, dramatic life style changes for most if not all.

I suspect that we MIGHT be able to address global warming but in so doing we will make the poverty / famine / equality worse. Its an either/or option. Do we sacrifice 2 billion people to defer the effect of global warming? Where does idealism get you on that choice.

Still, back on thread, its probably all the EU's fault

[ramAnag]

Both extremes are as useless as each other. We need joined up thinking that everyone can buy into, we have to accept that will come at a cost.

Still, back on thread, its probably all the EU's fault

I think that’s what I’ve been saying.

Nah...I blame Brexit.

See Saint Nigel has had enough of working for a living. An hour a day for four weeks and apparently he needs a break from GB News!

[Trickytreesreds]

I think that’s what I’ve been saying.

Nah...I blame Brexit.

See Saint Nigel has had enough of working for a living. An hour a day for four weeks and apparently he needs a break from GB News!

Actually as saint Nigel has said.
With all the above points being mentioned- over population/climate change/greed(from corporate to chancers)/politicians wierd decisions. Our invasion carries on relentless. In fact Europe is being invaded for all the above reasons.

Trump was slaughtered for his Mexican wall, by the EU. Yet Greece have built one now, to rival Hungary etc. Not a word of complaint mentioned.
My question is this. If it carries on, how long before it descends into a back lash war, as it can't carry on?

PS, Nigels news show trounced BBC and Sky viewing figures combined, when it is aired.

[ramAnag]

PS, Nigels news show trounced BBC and Sky viewing figures combined, when it is aired.

Started well enough Tricky...curiosity value I suppose. Couldn’t maintain it though and has now run off with his tail between his legs having fallen victim to a particularly fine ‘on air’ prank.

[swaledale]

Started well enough Tricky...curiosity value I suppose. Couldn’t maintain it though and has now run off with his tail between his legs having fallen victim to a particularly fine ‘on air’ prank.

Thats selective quoting - he got more than the BBC News channel and the rolling sky news which isn't the same thing - against the specific BBC news and Sky News programme he was nowhere near! I saw these claims being made on social media by the usual suspects and closer examination showed them to be as usual to be false.

[Trickytreesreds]

Well blow me down,

It must be Brexit causing this massive lorry driver shortage on the continent as well then? Who'd have thought it would spread so far?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1483977/brexit-news-driver-shortages-us-germany-france-spain

[swaledale]

Nigel Farage mentioned that he would just leave Britain if Brexit was a disaster.


Farage said “I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off”.

He did say those things, on numerous occasions, but what his comments confirm is that regardless of the success or failure of Brexit, he will be alright. He will still be “widely consulted” for his views on international political issues and populist revolts against the political establishment.

Has anyone seen him within 10 miles of a UK fisherman? Despite his farcical voyage on a fishing boat down the Thames during the referendum campaign, promising Brexit would be "great" for Uk fishermen?

Why do some media and a lot of stupid people take any notice of this failed politician and charlatan? Surely you have to be brain dead to believe a word of what he says? And a complete fool if you think he gives a flying **** about the fools he persuaded to vote leave!


Most other figures involved in the campaign to divorce Britain from the European Union have little to worry about either.

Former Vote Leave chairman Nigel Lawson has his carte de sejour in France, a document that secures his rights to remain in Gascony post-Brexit.

And Jacob Rees-Mogg is in line for a huge personal windfall when Britain exits the single market thanks to a large stake in an emerging markets investment firm.

He also moved the headquarters of his investment frim to Dublin to ensure it could trade within the EU!

Dyson another prominent Brexiteer moved his firm's HQ to Singapore, where as well as an advantageous tax reggae, he can take advantage of Singapore's trade deal with the EU and avoid the consequences of Brexit on his firm.


John Redwood also has his finances in order, advising investors to avoid Britain as the country’s economy “hits the brakes”.

That’s despite promising that the “economic gains of leaving the EU will be considerable” before the referendum.

It all goes to show that regardless of how Brexit pans out, those who led the campaign are shielded from its repercussions, whereas most of those who voted for it are not.

Meanwhile the weekly economic loss to the UK far exceeds the mythical £350 million per week that apparently was going to be spent on the NHS instead!!

It’s scary precedent to think that those who made the promises have no exposure to the consequences when they don’t get delivered.

They could just have promised anything.

And they probably did.

[ramAnag]

Well blow me down,

It must be Brexit causing this massive lorry driver shortage on the continent as well then? Who'd have thought it would spread so far?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...y-france-spain

Quite right Tricky, there is a shortage of HGV drivers throughout Europe, however we have been harder hit in the UK and the two principle reasons given are 1) the number of HGV drivers retiring and 2) Brexit.

[MadAmster]

On the population theme. It is true that parents in poorer countries tend to have large families, much larger on average than here in the West.

Many learned folk put it down to those countries also having a high infant mortality rate. Parents have large families to try and guarantee that there are enough left over to look after the parents when (if?) they get to old age. In the richer countries you don't need elevent-een kids to make sure there are enough left to take care of you in later life, hence the smaller families.

Some years ago Bill Gates said that a proper vaccination programme in the poorer countries would lead to a large reduction in the birth rate there and stabilise and maybe even reduce population levels. That led to anti vaxers claiming he wanted to kill millions of people.