OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

Lol...bit harsh...tbh I never ‘bang on about it’ in the pub, although if it crops up - and it rarely, if ever, does - I’ll tell it as I see it.

Nothing remotely ‘militant’ about my stance either. Consistent? Yes. Intelligent? I hope so. Confrontational and aggressive? Never.

As for yours, ‘a marginal Remainer who recognised the validity of the referendum’? Or Mr. Undecided?

rA its hard to understand if GP is that "not bothered" about Brexit, why he even views this thread? If I was unconcerned, I'd ignore it completely!

AS for recognising the "validity" of the referendum, mm alleged Russian funding of organisations campaigning for leave, definite hacking and interference by Russian a state actors in the campaign. Proven misinformation (the £350 million on the bus being just 1 example) and lies used in the campaign by leave (Turkey joining the EU another), a non legally binding referendum and no minimum % imposed for a valid vote.

Even if one overlooks all those irregularities, then the imposing of a hard Brexit on the narrow majority was definitely not valid.

[SithHappens]

With respect Sith...you’re in danger of (re) opening a can of worms there. I agree with most of what you’ve said...but it’s not up to Andy.

His role is that of moderator and it doesn’t matter whether he ‘wants’ it discussed or not. He is there to ensure that what few rules we have are observed, NOT to start ‘locking threads’ and dictate what should be discussed. That is something decided by the interest generated in individual threads alone.

Ok fair enough, im new here but generally my experience on other forums is that moderators do have the authority to lock/delete a thread if they feel its no longer valid to the forum. Im not arguing for this by the way, if im honest i dont really know if there are any rules beyond a swear filter here.

[Trickytreesreds]

Hmmm...not sure about that, but when it comes to any EU ‘gravy train’ your ‘darling’ Farage perversely takes some beating.

Really? You mean the man who campaigned to get himself the sack?
You have to do better there RA. Also voters put him there to campaign on their behalf, the other 4 certainly were not.

[Trickytreesreds]

Discussion and dislike for something are one thing. But remainers have a common denominator in that anything that causes grief in the country is all down to Brexit.
Most of it is a load of bull. Yes there are problems in supply of some things. Again, years and year of EU paperwork isn't going to unravel overnight.
The current favourite crying is tomatos boo hoo.

The goverment blames the weather, the remainers scream nooooooooooooooooooo.
Well unfortunately there is/was a weather problem.
Europe hasn't seen so many empty shelves granted.
What they don't tell you is, that the prices have rocketed in Europe and even the europeans are n't buying so much.
Add in the fact that the Dutch didn't bother planting them and the shortage is real.

https://nltimes.nl/2023/02/22/avocado-tomato-prices-rise-substantially-due-weather

Yes I will accept that the Brexit lorry protocols then hindered delivery. But from what I've read, many suppliers wouldn't accept the rising costs and the veg went to those prepared to pay the full whack.

But propaganda only half told, fuels your cause if applied correctly.

[Geoff Parkstone]

rA its hard to understand if GP is that "not bothered" about Brexit, why he even views this thread? If I was unconcerned, I'd ignore it completely!

AS for recognising the "validity" of the referendum, mm alleged Russian funding of organisations campaigning for leave, definite hacking and interference by Russian a state actors in the campaign. Proven misinformation (the £350 million on the bus being just 1 example) and lies used in the campaign by leave (Turkey joining the EU another), a non legally binding referendum and no minimum % imposed for a valid vote.

Even if one overlooks all those irregularities, then the imposing of a hard Brexit on the narrow majority was definitely not valid.

I'm like you and TTR, Swale - sometimes I cant keep away even though a lot of BS is posted!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Ok fair enough, im new here but generally my experience on other forums is that moderators do have the authority to lock/delete a thread if they feel its no longer valid to the forum. Im not arguing for this by the way, if im honest i dont really know if there are any rules beyond a swear filter here.

I believe its the same here Sith, although rA seems to demur

[ramAnag]

Really? You mean the man who campaigned to get himself the sack?
You have to do better there RA. Also voters put him there to campaign on their behalf, the other 4 certainly were not.

No...as you well know I don’t mean ‘the man who campaigned to get himself the sack’, although I knew you’d rapidly seek to misinterpret it that way.
I mean the man who owes everything he has - wealth, fame, political profile etc - to being the ‘face’ of UKIP and the Brexit campaign. The man who this thread was started about...and the man who Brexit has made vastly better off while the rest of us live in a poorer and ever more divided country.

[ramAnag]

Ok fair enough, im new here but generally my experience on other forums is that moderators do have the authority to lock/delete a thread if they feel its no longer valid to the forum. Im not arguing for this by the way, if im honest i dont really know if there are any rules beyond a swear filter here.

Probably best not to go there again and I think you’re probably right.
Generally speaking however - with one exception in all the time I’ve been here - a thread has never been closed at the moderator’s whim. It’s only happened when arguments have become truly distasteful or just too personal.
He’s a ‘moderator’ not a ‘censor’ as regards topics for discussion and forum threads, by definition, will always sink or swim according to the level of interest.

[Andy_Faber]

Surely continued discussion on here, in the pub, or anywhere should not be considered 'banging on' until such time its been recognised that either

A. Its always going to be a **** show, or
B. Its proven leaving was actually the better choice

As those who voted leave and claiming that it will take years, if not decades, for any benefit to be seen then it would seem this thread should remain open for a long time yet.

The fact it remains open means it invites discussion, if Andy doesnt want it discussed the lock the thread and ban future discussion.

Lol at either A or B ever happening to the satisfaction of either the country, or for that matter those who REALLY matter, ie we forum members

You’re right in what you’ve said in this and other posts that I’ve actually got carte Blanche regarding locking threads AND sanctioning users (right up to deleting their accounts) without reason, I think in 6 years of so I’ve locked maybe ten threads all but one I think for duplication, i think there was one started by a trouble maker off another board, and seriously sanctioned one forum member (despite a ‘threat’ made to me), that user got the message and when he pops up he’s fairly benign now. All in all this place is fairly quiet compared to other forums I’ve moderated

[Trickytreesreds]

There thousands of EU rules and laws now integrated into our systems. Everyone of them comes into conflict with anything new we want to do. I certainly am not going to trawl through them all.
But lets take the most controversial of the moment.
1. Fishing- firstly, let me say I have been deep sea angling since intoduced to it at 15. In those days, you would come back with a boat full of fish. I have watched it decline to a shadow of its former self, by massive over fishing. My first ever cod weighed 19ibs, I was awe struck. Now 3 lbs is an avergae fish? That is worrying. I have asked many skippers why and the answer is always the same. Quotas decided by the EU allow too many people to fish the North sea. They portray themselves as managing the stocks, but its bollox.
They don't all fish for the fish we want either. They trawl for bait fish species, just to turn them into fertilizer for agriculture. What do you suppose the Cod/Haddock feed on? The food chain is very complex. Even the methods used by the EU fleets are wrong under their rules, like beam fishing. Net sizes as well.
We aint in the EU anymore, but still we follow the rules laid out. No wonder the fisherman kick off.
Same for shell fish as well. One minute, whilst an EU member or methods/ treatments are perfectly acceptable, then they suddenly are not due to "their" rules. Spite just about covers it.

2. Illegal migrants.
Directive 2013/797EC which basically sets high standards of accomodation that asylum seekers must be housed in. Now forgetting the fact that the French do not put theirs in 4 and 5 star hotels( I blame our governnment/judges/left wing moaners for that). We are not in the EU anymore, so how the hell is this still applying?
Camps and tents are used all over the world to house refugees, not top notch hotels. Yet EU rules and laws have forced us to do so.
Folks wonder why we are now the current top target for migrants?

[ramAnag]

You’re right in what you’ve said in this and other posts that I’ve actually got carte Blanche regarding locking threads AND sanctioning users (right up to deleting their accounts) without reason...

Lol...you’d think with all this ‘carte blanche’ power you’d be able to stop worrying about making MA an additional mod wouldn’t you?

[Andy_Faber]

Lol...you’d think with all this ‘carte blanche’ power you’d be able to stop worrying about making MA an additional mod wouldn’t you?

I have.

[ramAnag]

I have.

Touché!

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'm surprised you'd want MAas moderator anyway, just another person to argue with / fall out with. 😄😄😄

[Andy_Faber]

, Can I buy that those in the age group that had the biggest share of leave votes (The over 75's) voted for something that they knew they wouldn't start to see the benefit of until they were probably dead then..No, i cant buy that.

They could of course argue they were doing it for todays young people, but as todays young people voted in favour of remaining then surely let them choose for themselves?

Trouble being, they couldn’t be bothered, or at least too many of them couldn’t - if they’d have voted in the same proportion as the coffin dodgers this thread would have died after 50 or so posts. I’ve mentioned before the photo in, I think the guardian, of ‘young people’ who were bothered enough to get on stage at Glastonbury waving EU flags but not bothered enough to NOT be at Glastonbury and actually vote.