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  • #31
    Originally posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    Please don't guess what you think I'm saying, it's perfectly clear what I'm saying. Neither of us know the (security or other) reasons why individuals have or have not been granted visas. You prejudice against the Trump administrations lead you to assume they are making things up when you have zero evidence apart from slight anecdotal evidence to support your prejudiced assumption.

    Get back to me when you have any valid evidence supporting your opinion, otherwise it's just uninformed opinion making things up to support your own political bias.

    Otherwise, end of...
    No evidence?? In this particular case the Trump administration source said: "This individual was seeking admission to the United States. Upon further inspection by CBP [Custom and Border Protection], derogatory information, including association with suspected members of terror organisations, was discovered making the traveller ineligible for admission to the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

    Its not even as if this was a speculative traveller, his attendance would have been notified well in advance to the US authorities, he had been issued with a visa, (contrary your claim it seems he had been granted a visa) your claiming that "something" might have come up since then to justify his exclusion? POssible but on the evidence of how Trump's adminstration behaves highly unlikely.

    MM as I said, if this administration acted in a fair and transparent manner on such matters, one would indeed give them the benefit of the doubt, but given the track record the odds are heavily stacked in this being just another deliberate action designed to highlight Trump's "decisive" action on immigration.

    But lets examine your claims that its my prejudice and political bias that leads me to conclusion.

    Actually its called making a judgement, taking into account how the current US administration currently behaves, how only a fool would believe without question what Trump and his aasociates say, how he has stuffed the various government agencies, not with people with the knowledge and qualifications required to run them, but with people who are loyal to him and who mostly have neither the experience, ability or knowledge to run them. How decisions are taken not on the basis of law, in fact the law (and the constitution are routinely broken or ignored) but on the basis of a a flawed ideology.

    There is ample actual evidence as to the fact that the Trump administrations word cannot be trusted, and the many cases where the US border authority have behaved atrociously with entirely innocent people, that is hardly a bias, its called making a judgement based on what actually happens. Obviously I cannot prove the facts of this case, but if your saying that US border authorities suddenly discovered something about a key person whom they have issued a visa to previously, then either they are remarkbly incompetent (possible) or there is political game playing happening. I know which I believe to be more likely given the fact that the latter is rampant currently in the US.

    Of course if I was to take your point about not having the exact knowledge as to why this action was taken, which is valid, though can be qualified with what I've said above. I'd then have to ask why are you so keen to defend these actions, when in other cases you don't take that line, but frequently express a view without any actual evidence to support what you have said? Is it your own political bias that leads you to do this?

    If you responded by saying, we don't know what the details are beyond what the Trump administration has said, but gvien its track record we should be suspicious of their motives, I could see your point. But thats not your response, your assuming innocent until proven guilty, which is fair enough when dealing with people who behave within the norms, but that ship has longed sailed with Trump and his officials. Thats how they get away with what they are doing, I would ahve thought you could see that?

    One only has to observe whats been done and whats said on a daily basis to udnerstand that the basic approach of trump and this government is to flood the zone with so much false information that it becomes increasingly difficult to work out what is fact and what is fiction, the norms of political and diplomatic behaviour are trashed everyday.

    So no its not uniformed opinion, its a judgement based on how Trump and this administration actually behaves, unlike Trump I'm not making things up I'm working on the basis that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck it is very likely a duck.

    I gvie people who make honest mistakes the benefit of the doubt not serial liars, law breakers and the like.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by MadAmster View Post
      My own thoughts are "wait and see". He's been refused entry, that we know. He apparently had a valid visa. US immigration refused him entry. That we also know. The why and wherefore is unknown and may well stay that way.

      GP, "bought off"? IMO you're mischief making. If he's refused entry into Austria we'll probably be told why. If he's allowed entry, I presume you'll retract you post?
      The Trump administration have claimed he had links to known terror organisations. Its ahrd to believe that if that was the case, they would ahve granted him a visa in the first place. I can just about agree that might apply to a supporter or someone arriving on spec, but for a person whose attendance would have been notified well in advance? Rather suspicious and given the repeated vilations of the law, by US Border authorities I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.

      He wont be refused entry into Austria which will answer nothing.

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      • #33
        The big question is, was it Shakira or a body double. Rumours on SM that it was indeed not Shakira but a stand in

        I don't believe it personally, but I would be happy to volunteer myself to do a closer inspection, whenever, wherever.

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        • #34
          So the world cup is almost underway for England, but it seems that, locally at least, noone is interested or cares

          4 years ago the St George's flag was flying from or draped over many houses. Most cars flew miniature flags. Out and about today I haven't seen one.

          A few saltires here and there, but not many Scots have ventured this far south.

          I guess noone dares support England in this manner any longer for fear of arrest? it maybe their symbols of support have been removed/torn down/burned? Strange.

          Is it just here or has anyone else noticed the same?

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          • #35
            Several houses in my cul de sac have one, including mine.

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            • #36
              At the homes of both my sons and I, The Dutch flag will proudly fly om Dutch game days. Idem ditto the English one on English game days.

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              • #37
                Also got my Cabo verde shirt ready for tomorrow's game.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
                  So the world cup is almost underway for England, but it seems that, locally at least, noone is interested or cares

                  4 years ago the St George's flag was flying from or draped over many houses. Most cars flew miniature flags. Out and about today I haven't seen one.

                  A few saltires here and there, but not many Scots have ventured this far south.

                  I guess noone dares support England in this manner any longer for fear of arrest? it maybe their symbols of support have been removed/torn down/burned? Strange.

                  Is it just here or has anyone else noticed the same?
                  Or maybe, GP, it’s simply a case of people not wishing to be misinterpreted. Personally I haven’t been one for flag waving of any description since about the age of six, but the outbreak of Unite the Kingdom flags last Autumn could always be loosely translated as TR/NF speak for ‘duck off Muslims’ or ‘darkies unwelcome’.
                  Perhaps the decent majority don’t want to be associated with such views or maybe they’re just waiting till nearer the time of England’s actual participation. Hopefully it won’t prove to be further evidence of the imbecilic UtK ‘campaign’ doing the exact opposite.

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                  • #39
                    Perhaps you could answer the question, rA? Are there the usual proliferation of flags in support of England around you??

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                    • #40
                      I’m not being awkward, GP…but my answer is, there is no proliferation of England flags at all…but that is completely usual on such occasions where I live.
                      We did all come out to clap/bang saucepans etc in support of the NHS during Covid and a village national flag is flown on notable national days, but otherwise there is never the sort of proliferation you refer to.

                      I did go out to a pub in Kirk Langley - a village between Derby and Ashbourne and about twelve miles from where I live - last week, where there have been about twenty five national flags flying since last autumn. Nothing at all to do with the WC, but I guess it’s very difficult to know the motivation without knowing the area these days.

                      Do you have one flying from Ramjet Towers?
                      Last edited by ramAnag; 14-06-2026, 01:03 PM.

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                      • #41
                        No, I never have gone in for PDAs, in football or any other sphere of life

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                        • #42
                          As of today 5 houses in the cul de sac have St Georges flags , that's exactly 50% the other 50% wouldn't ever have flags anyway

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
                            No, I never have gone in for PDAs, in football or any other sphere of life
                            Oh I dunno, I’d say you exhibit more than a few Pathological Demand Avoidance traits.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
                              Perhaps you could answer the question, rA? Are there the usual proliferation of flags in support of England around you??
                              Usual proliferation of flags? Can't say thats been my experience ever, as ever a few homes have England flags draped from windows and I've seen the odd car with those clip on flags. But except for possibly Euro 96, when there really was a sense of anticipation and people did get the flags out and many vehicles displayed them, In my experience in various parts of England there has not been a proliferation of flags for most Wordl Cups or Euros since '96.


                              Highly unlikely that they are not being displayed for any other reason than there isn't the same connection when the tournaments being played 1,000's of miles away and at odd times of the day in the UK.

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                              • #45
                                Probably doesn't help with the likes of the mail and express having attention grabbing headlines saying councils are warning of 2.5k fines for hanging flags, but when you read down its hanging them off lamposts or in public areas.

                                Sadly people often don't see past the inaccurate headlines and repeat it on SM or verbally until it becomes "fact' when its actually not.

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