Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Good grief it took you until point 5 to unveil the tired old blame it on the right wing media refrain - must be something of a record.

Put half a dozen of the boats onto the bottom of the channel and numbers trying to cross would drop dramatically. If as in your point 5 asylum seekers are such a small porportion of immigrants, then the rest sent to see Davy Jones must by definition be illegals?

As to whether such illegals carry out more crime, I guess the answer lies in the fact that poverty and deprivation leads anyone (migdant or not) to turn to crime more readily. In my view the connection between illegals and for instance (to cite TTR) grooming gangs is far from proven as this has been a blight on society for much longer that the channel crossings - far more likely legal migrants/second generation if indeed an ethnic issue.

Its not a case of blaming the right wing media, its an actual fact that Farage and others of his ilk plus certain media with a right wing bent (Mail, Telegraph, Express GB News for example) , do emphasise and focus the number of people crossing by boats as if they were all undeserving criminals and terrorists, without a shred of evidence and indeed (as with the Southport tragedy) seek to attribute race and ethnicity to incidents, whilst giving much less focus on white people who commit similar crimes. The ethnicity of a perpetrator is blown out of all proportion creating a bigger problem than is actually the case. I realise that they are only pandering to the baser instincts of some of the population, who feel comfortable blaming foreigners for the ills they suffer in life, I guess its a basic human instinct to find scapegoats, even if it contradicts reality?

Well lets establish a fact that there is no such thing under international law as an "illegal immigrant", then lets refer to the House of Commons Library that states that in 2023 11% of all immigrants were Asylum seekers. The others came by authorised routes.

The causes of crime are many and affect anybody irrespective of ethnicity, poverty, mental health, etc. There are cultural issues, but to pin say a devaluation of women on Muslims for example, overlooks the not insignificant number of white people who have committed crimes whether as so called incels, jealous husbands, partners ex's etc.

Given that 78 asylum seekers died attempting to cross the channel in 2024, I'm not entirely sure that your warm and humane suggestion of putting half a dozen boats to the bottom of the channel would resolve the issue. I mean these people have in the main already survived harsh regimes or war zones and a perilous journey to get to the channel in the first place. But I presume that your casual suggestion of murder indicates that you think their less human than others?

I might suggest that a better option would be to process their claims on the other side of the channel as was suggested during Brexit negotiations, but hey I guess a common sense and fair and humane approach isn't nearly as much fun is it?

[swaledale]

"What we don?t need, imo, is you picking up the devil?s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious."

No, that would break up the happy karass* of like minded persons who reject all opinion that isnt the same as their own and ignore it. Still worse who seek to sideline it by belittling it. TTR's style of putting forward his views isnt the best but those who seek to ignore it do so at their own peril. Need I point out the voting pattern / polls showing the proponderance of people sharing TTR views.

It was the same in Nazi Germany where those in the middle or left chose to ignore the clear threat from the right. Most "good thinking Germans" Ignoring it or tolerating it as an easy way out - now remind me, how did that work out?

*see Cats Cradle, as you likely are of the right age to know

As I pointed out, that might be relevant in real life, but on this Forum? No point whatso ever and there will still be a number of centre right, with the odd further right view points expressed on here. The fact that AF bridles at being described as centre right just shows how far the Overton Window has shifted to the right.

In point of fact, voting pattern and polls don't indicate a preponderance of people sharing the dim red ones views. It is much more nuanced than that. With people who were right leaning, have in some instances gone further right to Reform, but then some who were left leaning or centre right have gone towards the Greens or the Lib Dems and others just not voting. Even in the US, Trump only just got over half the votes cast.

It does amuse me that people think a party led by a lying grifter who spends more time making money than doing his job as politician, who got it so wrong with Brexit, which hasn't improved their lives in any way, still willing to vote for him, but then obviously there are some very stupid people out there.

[Andy_Faber]

That bloody Lincolnshire Mayor, typical angry ruddy faced gammon! Likewise the Runcorn MP! They?re all the bloody same!

[Trickytreesreds]

With regards to just returning them, we lost a lot of our rights to do that with brexit.

untrue. we could only return those, with existing asylum claims in the EU. Even then, if they've tossed away their Id and invented a new identity, we get no where either.

[Trickytreesreds]

no idea considering the regulation we can no longer use because of brexit is called the Dublin regulation.

Unless it has since been resolved but one doubts it. I suppose depends where those appearing in Ireland have come from, if via the UK maybe that's why

Of course our nige has promised to sort it, without actually detailing how he's going to legally achieve it.

again, please read the Dublin agreement. It never was what the left peddled

[Trickytreesreds]

Good grief it took you until point 5 to unveil the tired old blame it on the right wing media refrain - must be something of a record.

Put half a dozen of the boats onto the bottom of the channel and numbers trying to cross would drop dramatically. If as in your point 5 asylum seekers are such a small porportion of immigrants, then the rest sent to see Davy Jones must by definition be illegals?

As to whether such illegals carry out more crime, I guess the answer lies in the fact tht poverty and deprivation leads anyone (migdant or not) to turn to crime more readily. In my view the connection between illegals and for instance (to cite TTR) grooming gangs is far from proven as this has been a blight on society for much longer that the channel crossings - far more likely legal migrants/second generation if indeed an ethnic issue.

hit the like button. Oh and swale needs to look at the statistics on crime committed by immigrants in relation to native Brits.. It isn't the same, far from it.

[Trickytreesreds]

Strike one for Reform. A Labour strong hold falls, in local elections.

A few on here wrote off Reform, one year ago. Well it isn't looking so silly now is it?
The Tory party is a mess, Labour has sold its soul and the average Brit has had enough. Grab the Tory vote and this gets serious.

[Trickytreesreds]

When we talk about deportations, then they should bear things like this in mind as well. Yep our lovely PM and his two tier standards.

https://x.com/BenObeseJecty/status/1917241602306707965

[ramAnag]

First impressions? I don’t really know what all the fuss is about. No one takes much notice of the football tables in September and it’s equally unwise to make too much of local election results ten months into a five year GE term.
What’s actually happened? A Labour candidate in Cheshire, who’s predecessor was completely discredited by his stupid behaviour, has been very, very narrowly defeated by a former Tory who has moved to Reform. Lincolnshire, solid Tory ground, has elected another opportunist former Tory who has taken up with Reform to become Mayor.
Elsewhere it seems like a good night for Reform, an awful night for the Tories and a bad night for Labour but it wasn’t, imo, entirely unexpected.
Labour have had to do some unpopular things and I don’t necessarily agree with all of them. At the moment they aren’t popular but they do have a huge majority and at least another two years before they need to show real evidence of turning things around in a better direction.
We’ll see if Farage actually has anything to offer the country rather than his own well being. Personally I doubt it, but the thing to watch, again imo, is the changing relationship between the Tories and Reform. ‘New political landscape’? Heard it all before.

[Andy_Faber]

When we talk about deportations, then they should bear things like this in mind as well. Yep our lovely PM and his two tier standards.

https://x.com/BenObeseJecty/status/1917241602306707965

Give the guy a break Tricky. If he can?t work out what a woman is, there?s no chance he can determine who?s a danger to society

[SithHappens]

interesting day. Absolutely no doubt Farage is happy, his party have performed very well.

I'm pleased to see the gains the lib dems have made though.

[Trickytreesreds]

First impressions? I don?t really know what all the fuss is about. No one takes much notice of the football tables in September and it?s equally unwise to make too much of local election results ten months into a five year GE term.
What?s actually happened? A Labour candidate in Cheshire, who?s predecessor was completely discredited by his stupid behaviour, has been very, very narrowly defeated by a former Tory who has moved to Reform. Lincolnshire, solid Tory ground, has elected another opportunist former Tory who has taken up with Reform to become Mayor.
Elsewhere it seems like a good night for Reform, an awful night for the Tories and a bad night for Labour but it wasn?t, imo, entirely unexpected.
Labour have had to do some unpopular things and I don?t necessarily agree with all of them. At the moment they aren?t popular but they do have a huge majority and at least another two years before they need to show real evidence of turning things around in a better direction.
We?ll see if Farage actually has anything to offer the country rather than his own well being. Personally I doubt it, but the thing to watch, again imo, is the changing relationship between the Tories and Reform. ?New political landscape?? Heard it all before.

Really RA.

It wasn't 5 mins ago, Notts was a mining county, true working class. It was a bloody awful night for Labour and no coincidence that Labour spent all its energy in dissing Reform, rather than the Tories in the run up. They know they are leaking blood in the water, the people regret voting them in and are jumping ship. I suggest you look at the results in Millbands area, hes a dead man walking .

Look at the changes in Notts

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/full-nottinghamshire-county-council-election-10152963

Derbyshire as well

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/full-results-2025-derbyshire-county-10153334

You may not want to acknowledge a shift in the landscape, but try looking past your garden wall.

[Trickytreesreds]

Give the guy a break Tricky. If he can?t work out what a woman is, there?s no chance he can determine who?s a danger to society

He should, everyone he seems to have defended as a barrister and head of DPP seems to have committed some heinous crime afterwards.
Maybe being a wooden puppet, means a wooden brain, as well as personality ?

[SithHappens]

Farage says anyone working for Durham council who works on climate change or diversity, equity and inclusion should be looking for new jobs

To ignore climate change is happening is one thing but even reform voters must be appalled he's targeting those protected under the equality act, he's even said he would get rid of the equality act 2010

Just don't get this

[Trickytreesreds]

Farage says anyone working for Durham council who works on climate change or diversity, equity and inclusion should be looking for new jobs

To ignore climate change is happening is one thing but even reform voters must be appalled he's targeting those protected under the equality act, he's even said he would get rid of the equality act 2010

Just don't get this

You don't?

1. the climate change, net zero farce, is strangling the country, both industrially and the publics pocket. Lies upon lies. We have the highest energy prices in the world, yet to listen to Milliband, he preaches cheap/clean energy as though its a win win. Mans a complete arse hole

2. Every Work place in the country is overrun with these plastic jobs, usually on exorbitant salaries. The NHS is a classic example. The NHS strategy chief, wants staff to practice Ramadan in support of Muslim staff? WHAT!!!!!!!
Having observed prisoners, do Ramadan, its the worst idea I have ever heard. Starving/ not drinking, they become lethargic/ lose concentration/ get tired and lazy. Yet this clown, wants more staff to do so, as a diversity idea? Meanwhile, the NHS waiting list hit 7.5 million last December, yet pillocks like this come up with this rubbish. Many of these Tsars are on higher wages than the senior bosses.
Lets not forget their anti - white drives in the armed forces and Police. That worked out well.

We have laws already on equality already in this country, without these clowns driving their own agendas.