Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

Trouble is MA, this how much/how little the Exchequer has is a weak excuse and the green agenda was a flagship policy, if they can't stand the attacks from the right now, what is their response going to be in an election campaign? IMO they should have stuck to their guns and found ways to fund it, like a windfall tax on energy firms, a tax on bankers bonuses, closing the non dom loophole, levying national insurance on capital gains.

If they go into the election hampering their ability to change things by self imposed fiscal restraints then they will not achieve what's required and could find themselves booted out after 5 years by voters who expect more.

IMO a better response was that we have costed it and how it will be paid for and this will be in our manifesto come the election.

The majority of economists take the view that there has to be a rise in targeted public expenditure in order to stimulate growth, the past 13 plus years of austerity have resulted in a flat lining economy, obviously exacerbated by a disastrous Brexit deal.

One only has to look at the detail of Biden's inflation reduction act, which has stimulated the economy to see whats required, plus if this action is delayed much longer then the necessary work to reduce carbon emissions and create a thriving green economy will not happen and then we will all be ****ed.

I'd go further. Renationalise all those money making public utilities and use the profits for the national good as well as for repairing the millions of leaky underwater pipes the private companies can't afford to mend because they prefer to give huge dividends to shareholders. Water, gas, electricity, public transport. I'd also invest in lots of, publicly owned, hydrogen producing plants to replace our need for gas.

That's taking back control.

[macstheman]

MA 4 PM.
Let's face it MA you could bring the price of 🍻down and put a huge surcharge on 🍒🍒 Tea!! I don't think anybody would mind🤔

[MadAmster]

MA 4 PM.
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already in the manifesto

[Trickytreesreds]

well, you got your yard stick of how ****ed up British politics is yesterday.
The SNP, want a vote on their bill, knowing its all about causing mayhem. Probably serving as a good distraction from them and their wrong doings.
Labour panicking, leaning on the speaker to accept their amendment instead. In order for Starmer to avoid a back bench bun fight, as over 100 of his MP's want to revolt and allow their ethnic bias take centre stage over party policy.
The Tories throwing a spanner in the works and joining the SNP in a mass walkout, just to cause as much mayhem themselves.


Meanwhile the world laughs and the speaker is exposed as being as maliable as Bercow was and probably gets the sack.

So how about keep out of Gaza in the first place and sort your own houses out first, before trying to solve one of the hardest puzzles in the world.

Bonkers the lot of them and a disgrace.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_HW...channel=GBNews Just the begining

[SithHappens]

well, you got your yard stick of how ****ed up British politics is yesterday.
The SNP, want a vote on their bill, knowing its all about causing mayhem. Probably serving as a good distraction from them and their wrong doings.
Labour panicking, leaning on the speaker to accept their amendment instead. In order for Starmer to avoid a back bench bun fight, as over 100 of his MP's want to revolt and allow their ethnic bias take centre stage over party policy.
The Tories throwing a spanner in the works and joining the SNP in a mass walkout, just to cause as much mayhem themselves.


Meanwhile the world laughs and the speaker is exposed as being as maliable as Bercow was and probably gets the sack.

So how about keep out of Gaza in the first place and sort your own houses out first, before trying to solve one of the hardest puzzles in the world.

Bonkers the lot of them and a disgrace.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_HW...channel=GBNews Just the begining

Crazy really what happened. Can't see Hoyle getting through it without resigning.

Bad day for all parties involved.

[Trickytreesreds]

Crazy really what happened. Can't see Hoyle getting through it without resigning.

Bad day for all parties involved.

It was disgusting Sith.

Religious sectarianism has now infiltrated British politics.
Everyone said , Labour had a anti semitic infection under Corbyn. But its wider than that now.
They are all scared of upsetting Muslims and are letting them pull their strings.
The councils and police have allowed it and now the politicians are doing it.

They are also using problems around the world upsetting muslims, to forward their own careers.
I'm done with them.

Folks wonder why the far right is rising across Europe?

add in the housing bias upsetting folks, the figures being released blowing the migration is good for the economy bollox out of the water.

The fuse is lit.

[swaledale]

It was disgusting Sith.

Religious sectarianism has now infiltrated British politics.
Everyone said , Labour had a anti semitic infection under Corbyn. But its wider than that now.
They are all scared of upsetting Muslims and are letting them pull their strings.
The councils and police have allowed it and now the politicians are doing it.

They are also using problems around the world upsetting muslims, to forward their own careers.
I'm done with them.

Folks wonder why the far right is rising across Europe?

add in the housing bias upsetting folks, the figures being released blowing the migration is good for the economy bollox out of the water.

The fuse is lit.

Jeez, you don't half post some utter rubbish! But then the subtlety of international politics has generally eluded you so one can't be surprised! But I'd advise against pontificating on matters where you clearly have no knowledge or understanding, it makes you look a prat!

All you are doing is repeating the crap that's dished out by right wing agitators and the right wing media that pumps out fake propaganda for fools like you to swallow without any critical thought whatsoever. I mean there are just as many dangerous "Christians" as Muslims.

I'm guessing that 29,000 Palestinian deaths isn't enough to satisfy the 1,700 Israeli's killed by the appalling HAMAS attacks? That the Israeli president is in fact corrupt and incompetent and has formed a coalition of hard right extreme Israeli's purely to prevent him being convicted of the corruption charges?

By the way being critical of Israel committing genocidal acts does not constitute Anti-Semitism, if it did, then there is a substantial number of Jews, both within and outside Israel or seem to fall under that category!

There was a lot of petty political pointy scoring yesterday, with politicians on all sides claiming the moral high ground, whilst knowing full well, that what the UK's parliament says or does won't make one iota of difference. The real villains here were the Conservatives, who walked out for purely political reasons, when actually all three amendments could and should have been debated.

Any right thinking person should be ashamed that the UK parliament hasn't stated that the mass slaughter of innocent civilians is not acceptable.

What housing bias? The figures quite clearly show there is no housing bias 90% plus of allocations to social housing are to Uk residents. The fact that there is a net a net loss of 130,000 social/council homes since 2010, might also point to the problem.

The bollox that house prices are a result of migration is illustrated when you look at places that have the highest prices have no immigrant population to speak of, that over 1 million homes are empty and that over 1/4 million homes are second homes.

What figures being released show that migration isn't good for the economy? The economy is ****ed principally due to the Tories mismanagement and your beloved Brexit. IN any case, you have what you wanted, a pts style immigration system that regulates immigration.

I'm guessing you have an answer then for those businesses and services that cannot recruit staff?

The fuse is lit eh? Oh **** off, you and the other simpleton's of your ilk couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, full of piss and wind and largely a drain on society and the economy, piss off back to chatting on your right wing conspiracy forums, where reality and facts are irrelevant and you can converse with the other little ****s.



What is shameful, is how the national community have sat on their hands and watched the mass slaughter of innocent civilians

[Andy_Faber]

I mean there are just as many dangerous "Christians" as Muslims.

Evidence please, either in absolute terms or per capita

Explanation too about why one needs parentheses and one doesn't. I do actually know the answer on this one but I'd like to hear your spin

[Andy_Faber]

Crazy really what happened. Can't see Hoyle getting through it without resigning.

Bad day for all parties involved.

Yup, a Godalmighty FUBAR. Be a shame if LH falls on his sword, I seems a decent fellah and until yesterday has stuck to the script, unlike his predecessor. I would have thought everyone deserves one mistake especially if apologies were so prompt and apparently heartfelt

[ramAnag]

So how about keep out of Gaza in the first place and sort your own houses out first, before trying to solve one of the hardest puzzles in the world.

This single sentence I can’t help but agree with. When our UK Parliament cannot even debate the matter of Israel and Gaza without descending into chaos it is a real indictment of our leaders.
Coincidentally I witnessed a candlelit vigil in Oxford earlier this evening. Lots of Palestinian flags along with posters calling for a ceasefire and highlighting aspects of the increasing human tragedy…otherwise a great deal more dignity on display than in the HoC yesterday.
Having said that…does anyone honestly think that what a bunch of British politicians call for is going to make the slightest difference?

[Andy_Faber]

This single sentence I can’t help but agree with. When our UK Parliament cannot even debate the matter of Israel and Gaza without descending into chaos it is a real indictment of our leaders.
Coincidentally I witnessed a candlelit vigil in Oxford earlier this evening. Lots of Palestinian flags along with posters calling for a ceasefire and highlighting aspects of the increasing human tragedy…otherwise a great deal more dignity on display than in the HoC yesterday.
Having said that…does anyone honestly think that what a bunch of British politicians call for is going to make the slightest difference?

In order: yup TTR is right but I don’t think his ‘getting out of Gaza’ is quite the same as rA’s. Maybe I’m wrong

Loving the ‘dignity’ but that’s got to be balanced against the low level terrorism directed towards politicians (and others) showing any support/ empathy towards Jews/ Israelis

No, it’s not going to make the slightest difference, what a bunch of kids

[ramAnag]

In order: yup TTR is right but I don’t think his ‘getting out of Gaza’ is quite the same as rA’s. Maybe I’m wrong

Loving the ‘dignity’ but that’s got to be balanced against the low level terrorism directed towards politicians (and others) showing any support/ empathy towards Jews/ Israelis

No, it’s not going to make the slightest difference, what a bunch of kids

Which in turn has to be balanced against the high level of ‘terrorism’ currently directed at the fleeing citizens of Gaza.
I’m sure you and I would find plenty of common ground, AF and I don’t support the type of ‘terrorism’ you describe in any way.
Having said that…the catalyst for all this was undoubtedly the Oct. 7th attack on Israel. Who knew what before that happened remains, imo, a matter for further debate, but certainly the long established attitude of the Israelis towards Palestinians/Gazans is a major cause…and saying that isn’t anti Semitic.

[Andy_Faber]

Which in turn has to be balanced against the high level of ‘terrorism’ currently directed at the fleeing citizens of Gaza.
I’m sure you and I would find plenty of common ground, AF and I don’t support the type of ‘terrorism’ you describe in any way.
Having said that…the catalyst for all this was undoubtedly the Oct. 7th attack on Israel. Who knew what before that happened remains, imo, a matter for further debate, but certainly the long established attitude of the Israelis towards Palestinians/Gazans is a major cause…and saying that isn’t anti Semitic.

Focussing just on the U.K. aspect, Saying is fine, peaceful protesting is fine, death threats and intimidation is not, whoever’s doing it

[Trickytreesreds]

This single sentence I can’t help but agree with. When our UK Parliament cannot even debate the matter of Israel and Gaza without descending into chaos it is a real indictment of our leaders.
Coincidentally I witnessed a candlelit vigil in Oxford earlier this evening. Lots of Palestinian flags along with posters calling for a ceasefire and highlighting aspects of the increasing human tragedy…otherwise a great deal more dignity on display than in the HoC yesterday.
Having said that…does anyone honestly think that what a bunch of British politicians call for is going to make the slightest difference?

No it certainly doesn't.
The evidence on display here, is that this **** storm, is being used and hijacked by the far left and Radical islamists.
These may be called "peace" marches, but they have a nasty undertone to them, that is rising day by day
We have enogh of a mess of politicians in this country, without intrducing another factor, of religious sectarianism into it.

For all Swales rant of mud slinging, he never once mentioned, the talked about anti semitism in the Labour party.
This is now being fuelled by Muslim MP's demanding "their" agenda and topic, because it's the top hot potato in the Labour party for them.
Everyone knows, Israel will not give one jot what we say.
Starmer bottled it, and did his best to keep them onside, with appeasement

Yet all that happens here, is that anti semitism has risen 1350% in London alone.
MP's are being hounded/intimidated/threatened/ racist chanting/ slogans plastered everywhere.

This is the UK not the the middle east and the government and police need to get a grip on it fast.

Perhaps the honourable Swale would like to tell me, which religious group is top of MI5's terror lists and why we have vehicle blocks everywhere, as well as religious places under close observation?

We've seen councils scared to act. social services scared to act. the police scared to act, now politicians scared to act.
I don't think Tony Blairs dream of a multicultural wonderland is panning out as he envisaged,
Europe has woken up to it, some taking huge action.
No one wants another Sweden here

Live in the UK , follow the UK way of life and laws, it isn't hard

[SithHappens]

Laws yes, depends what way of life means. If someone wants to live their life differently to me, provided its lawful then I don't have a problem.